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The Weekly Webcomic Review: Out There
I’m a big fan of the “paintcan” scenario, because the starkness of a perfect paintcan creates something heartbreakingly complex when done correctly.
Writing paintcans is a simple recipe: Take a handful of characters — two is the classic number, but you can get away with as many as five. Make sure they’re of extremely different temperaments.
Next, lock your characters inside a “paintcan” where, for whatever reason, they cannot leave – trains are a good bet to serve as a paintcan, but waiting rooms will also suffice, or if you’d like a more dramatic moment sometimes you can use an actual prison. But for reasons that the characters must explain, they cannot leave each other’s presence.
Then let them talk.
That is all.
The perfect paintcan requires nothing more than the Zenlike simplicity of two people who would not normally spend time in each other’s company forced to do just that. You may, occasionally, have them try to leave, but the paintcan requires them to return — and, eventually, to come to some sort of understanding with each other for their own survival.
When the paintcan’s done right, you wind up with some riveting storylines: I’ll wager you never thought of The Breakfast Club as a paintcan scenario, but it is: all you’re doing is sticking folks in a place and seeing what happens when they interact with nothing but each other. Likewise, Planes, Trains, and Automobiles is a slightly more action-centric paintcan, but in the end it all comes down to an angry, unhappy Steve Martin making peace with the hapless John Candy. And, of course, the field of drama is rife with two-man plays, most of ‘em paintcans, paintcans, paintcans.
Out There is strange in that it started out as a paintcan and is evolving into something that I may not like. But we’ll see where it goes.
The premise (or, at least, the starting premise) is simple: Miriam is driving across the desert. She picks up a hitchhiker named John. And they talk.
It turns out that Miriam is on a quest to get to her friend Sally’s bar, where a job as a bartender at her friend’s bar will rescue her from her own self-destructive impulses. And she needs rescue, for Miriam is not a nice person; she drinks heavily when she’s upset, she wants to have sex with just about anyone to forget about her problems, and she’s continually trying to sabotage her trip to the one place that might actually save her.
John, on the other hand, is her perfect foil. He is a bald ascetic, seemingly uninterested in sex or material wealth at all; when Miriam picks him up, he is walking down the road not knowing where he is or where he’s going. He lives in a tent, and works part-time jobs to get money when he has to, and is remarkably cynical about Miriam.
Miriam needs John; she cannot bear to be alone. And John becomes her casual protector; he knows that left to her own devices, Miriam would pick up the next guy on the road just so she wouldn’t have to face her own inner demons, so he sticks around to ensure she’ll be okay.
And they talk.
This makes Out There sound like Serious Drama, but really it’s not. It’s a clean, four-panel layout with a punchline at the end of every strip, and thankfully the characters don’t take themselves all that seriously. Miriam knows she’s a wreck, and oscillates rapidly between being disgusted with John for not succumbing to her charms and with herself for being a crazy drunk girl. There’s a lot of amusing introspection.
The real joy of Out There is in how cleanly it presents its archetypes. In the beginning, we know little about them (and I’m sorry I had to tell you as much as I did to hopefully get you interested), but watching each facet of their personalities revealed strip by strip is the core of the experience; Miriam and John are getting to understand each other. It’s not entirely clear whether either of them will affect each other, since they’re fairly ensconced in their own philosophies, but you never know who might have the breakthrough.
And, fascinatingly, there’s no backstory. The strip’s been going on for half a year, and we still don’t know why John wanders, or what Miriam was doing before she decided to drive across the United States to get to her pal’s bar. Unlike the occasional month-long flashback segments of Queen of Wands (or even S*P), everything in Out There takes place right there. It’s neat to watch.
Out There is also quiet. It’s not a zany sitcom; it takes place in the real world, and as such there are limits to where its humor can go. Most of what happens is purely verbal, but I don’t always need the flash-bang grenades and the talking half-breed werewolf and the crazy cop-relating antics to rope me in.
Alas, Out There is currently evolving, which is something I have mixed feelings about. It’s true that Miriam and John couldn’t drive across the desert for all eternity; eventually, they had to get to the other side, and we’re just crossing that particular bridge. Which means that the strip’s tone is going to change as they abandon the paintcan and settle into something a little more predictable… Or maybe not. I’m not second-guessing R.C. Monroe.
But even as I miss the loss of the paintcan scenario, it’s built up enough good will for me to see where this goes. I recommend it. It’s quirky yet somehow satisfying.
(And as always, if you have an underappreciated webcomic you think I should review, leave a comment and I’ll take a look at it. Reviews will be only for strips with less or equal traffic to my own strip, Home on the Strange, in order to highlight smaller comics; as such, the reviews will always be at least mostly positive. If you note any traffic I’ve sent your way and feel the urge to shower me with gratitude, feel free to plug HotS in your own comic. Danke.)
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I love these locked-room scenarios - particularly for tense horror movies. Cube is probably my favourite example of one, but Day of the Dead works extremely well too. Take a bunch of people that wouldn't normally be together, stick them in an unpleasant situation they can't easily get out of, and squeeze. Stephen King's short story "The Mist" works really well for the same reasons. It doesn't really matter what's out there in the mist, just how the people react to it.
"I’ll wager you never thought of The Breakfast Club as a paintcan scenario, but it is."
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. The Breakfast Club was the first thing I thought of when you described the scenario. :)
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| Date: | December 29th, 2006 06:22 pm (UTC) |
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I was just about to comment saying this exact same thing-- when he described the scenario, the FIRST thing that popped into my head was The Breakfast Club.
I thought about that Hitchcock movie Lifeboat, one of the starkest examples I've seen.
A bit Sartre, isn't it?
(Is he the one who wrote No Exit? I get my playwrights mixed up sometimes.)
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| Date: | December 29th, 2006 01:29 pm (UTC) |
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I’ll wager you never thought of The Breakfast Club as a paintcan scenario, but it is.
I haven't, but is it? That is, I've never heard this term before, can't find any evidence of it after a few Google searches, and have no idea how it would be derived.
It's a term I've used casually in writers' groups. I have no idea whether it's used globally, but since I defined it pretty explicitly here, I didn't particularly care.
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| Date: | December 29th, 2006 06:27 pm (UTC) |
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I've also heard it referred to as an "elevator scenario" or something like that, but I can't find that on google either.
Every sitcom has an episode where the two enamy characters are trapped together and when they get free, they learn a little more about each other.
It's as common as the "lead trapped in elevator with pregnant lady" or "pilot passes out and lead has to land plane"
B5 subverted that one nicely - with two enemy characters trapped in a lift, having to cooperate to survive, and one of them refusing to.
I love it!
It's like Enemy Mine, but completely not.
And oh yeah, every Star Trek series had such an episode.
Ha, I immediately thought of B5 on seeing sacramentalist's comment. And then of the occasions when The Doctor and The Master were forced to cooperate; I was disappointed that Buffy never had such an episode with Ripper and Ethan.
(I didn't think of The Breakfast Club, perhaps because I've never seen it.)
| From: | (Anonymous) |
| Date: | December 29th, 2006 01:39 pm (UTC) |
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Good post, but it did leave me with a linguistic question.
How do you become someone's erstwhile protector? Is that like planned obsolescence of a sort I'm not familiar with?
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| Date: | December 29th, 2006 03:04 pm (UTC) |
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That's cause it didn't mean what I thought it did. Damned contextual inferences!
Fixed, and thanks for patching my vocabulary.
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| Date: | December 30th, 2006 04:33 am (UTC) |
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Ooo, I've made the same mistake before. "Erstwhile" always seems less like "former" and more like "earnest" when reading it in context, doesn't it?
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That misusage is so widespread, I suspect there must be some extremely popular (in its time) work of literature that used the word erstwhile in a context where a reader unacquainted with it would be most likely to infer the wrong meaning; like how Dickens popularized the dubious phrase Our Mutual Friend (aren't all friends mutual, i.e. of each other?).
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| Date: | May 28th, 2007 03:39 am (UTC) |
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Yet "our mutual friend" actually makes sense in context, i.e. Alex is both Bob's friend and Colin's friend, so Bob and Colin consider Alex "their mutual friend".
Popularisation, however, is the foe of context. I won't go into how many times people have used the term "paradigm shift" without understanding the original generational context used in Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Argh.
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If you and I admire each other, that's mutual admiration. If you and I both admire (say) D C Simpson, that's not the same thing, so why use the same word for it? Dickens could more accurately have said Our Common Friend, but presumably he was avoiding the meaning common = not genteel.
As for popular abuse of technical terms, the one I love to hate is lowest common denominator; most English-speakers learn at some point that the l.c.d. is no less than the highest of the denominators of the operands.
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| Date: | May 28th, 2007 03:41 pm (UTC) |
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Both good points! It seems that a certain poetic intuition has caused the error in both cases; the misuse seems to grow apparent only upon scrutiny.
P.S. I didn't miss your D C Simpson example, though my icon may have triggered it. Always nice to meet a fan outside of a fandom haunt. ;)
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| Date: | May 28th, 2007 03:49 am (UTC) |
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That misusage is so widespread, I suspect there must be some extremely popular (in its time) work of literature that used the word erstwhile in a context where a reader unacquainted with it would be most likely to infer the wrong meaning
I can recall at least one that influenced my misunderstanding. In the final episode of Blackadder season two (Chains), Sir Blackadder escapes from capture to save his queen from his kidnapper's dastardly plans. In the throne room, he stabs the kidnapper and wrenches off the kidnapper's disguise, proclaiming: "And may I introduce our erstwhile captor..."
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Heh, well, it's been around a lot longer than 1986. ;)
(That was Lord Blackadder. Other incarnations, e.g. the Captain in the Great War, might aspire to be Sir Edmund Blackadder; but I feel safe in saying that no one in the family was properly Sir Blackadder. Since we're already picking language nits.)
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| Date: | May 28th, 2007 03:37 pm (UTC) |
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Other incarnations, e.g. the Captain in the Great War, might aspire to be Sir Edmund Blackadder; but I feel safe in saying that no one in the family was properly Sir Blackadder.
*smacks forehead* And after Sir Ian McKellen reminded a fan on his blog that he was Sir Ian, not Sir McKellen, too. I am appropriately aghast.
Thanks for the recommendation. I read the whole backstory and most definitely enjoyed it.
I see what you mean about having mixed feelings about the strip evolving, but I think the characters are sufficiently interesting to keep me hanging around for a while...not least because maybe with other plotlines we won't have to hear Miriam go on about how cute she is. :P
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| Date: | December 29th, 2006 03:13 pm (UTC) |
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To me, the ultimate "paint-can" occurred in Cerebus the Aardvark. He was locked in a ship's hold with assorted characters including a clone of Groucho Marx. They had a limited supply of matches, so only every other panel or so was actually drawn. The rest were just black with word balloons, BUT YOU COULD STILL TELL WHO WAS SPEAKING! -- Dagonell
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| Date: | December 29th, 2006 07:24 pm (UTC) |
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It wasn't difficult. You had Cerebus, who speaks in third person and only wanted to get away from civilization (and bureaucracy, which the Groucho character created in that particular universe). You had Grouch (well, Lord Julius) and we all know how he speaks. You had his brother, Chico (forgot his name in the comic), who talks with a thick Italia accenta, ifa you know whata I mean. And Elrod the Albino, who talks like Foghorn Leghorn.
And yes, I thought of that comic too (Cerebus #51).
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| Date: | December 30th, 2006 12:05 pm (UTC) |
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ah yes back in the good old days when Dave Sims wrote good comics, and not sequential art manifestations of his lunatic mysogeny. Did some feminist chick completely break his heart, or what happened there?
Sim's turn to lunacy roughly coincided with his divorce; draw your own conclusions.
And what is Deni Loubert up to these days?
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| Date: | December 29th, 2006 05:20 pm (UTC) |
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Cube.
I've always heard that described as a Stagecoach scenario, named (obviously) after the movie. But since hardly anybody these days has seen Stagecoach, I imagine it's not as meaningful a phrase as it used to be.
Still, Stagecoach is a great example. A small number of colorful characters trapped and forced to interact while things are occasionally broken up by Indian attacks.
I've heard them called "Roadtrip" stories, too. Interesting how many of the descriptors include 'movement' in the premise. Probably one of the more well-known (in the web-comics world, that is) examples would be the deceased strip "Road Waffles"... when the characters left the road and the cast started to grow, the strip quickly lost its quirky appeal, faltered, caught on one engine, faltered again, pulled up in a glide, clipped the side of a mountain, made a game attempt at coming out of a death spiral, crashed, burned, and died a gruesome death.
Hi there, honestly,im adding you because I need someone on my friends list who updates frequently,and updates with something more than quizzes and dinner menus.I somewhat enjoyed reading your musings and thoughts,but truth be said there are dozens this kind of blogs on the internet.
or you can ignore the above statement and read the one below. lol,i love your writing,its hillarious and thought provoking,adding you kay?
Thanks for reviewing this comic. It was definately a breath of fresh air. Very nicely done.
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| Date: | December 30th, 2006 02:21 am (UTC) |
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nice review of Out There, it's one of my favorite strips.
If you liked that, you might like my comic, Debt On. I'm always happy to get a review. www.debt-on.com
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| Date: | December 30th, 2006 04:19 am (UTC) |
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Is this like that bit in Sandman- Preludes and Nocturnes where they're all holed up in the cafe and slowly go nuts?
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| Date: | December 30th, 2006 04:19 am (UTC) |
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the paintcan thing I mean xD
Yeah, I recently discovered Out There, on a random Keenspot link. (I think it was Strip Tease I was previously viewing when I clicked on it.) It was definitely a paintcan scenario, but in a way it was a triple paintcan scenario. Not only are Miriam and John in the paintcan on the road, but Sherry and Clayton are in the paintcan of the bar, and Chuck and James are in the paintcan of their apartment. In a way, the whole event of Miriam and John traveling cross-country has brought all three out of their individual paintcans and instead pile on into the bar. I'm actually looking forward to see what happens when all six characters start interacting on a daily basis.
I'd also like to mention that the Out There website has also linked this review on its homepage.
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| Date: | December 30th, 2006 11:57 pm (UTC) |
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I'm surprised you didn't bring up Five Characters in Search of an Exit.
It's an old Twilight Zone episode where there's a clown, ballerina, hobo, army major, and a bagpipe player stuck in a huge cylindrical tube with no memory of how they got there. In the end, the major gets everybody up on top of each other and climbs out, promising to get help. It's then revealed that the five of them are in a Christmas toy donation barrel (It might have been a paint can, I don't remember.) and a little girl tosses the major back in.
Out There has always reminded me of what Twilight Zone would be like without anything supernatural, I suppose because so many Twilight Zone episodes were paint cans. And it looks like it will probably remain a paint can at heart, albeit a bit larger now.
There are characters you love to hate, and those are fine, but I had to stop because Miriam was annoying me far too much. I don't love to hate her. She just flat-out annoys me, and this would not be so bad if she wasn't one of two main characters, but she is, which means she gets a lot of screen time. Oh well. I tried.
Okay, I don't understand any of this heavy literary analysis, but I like the strip, and will be adding you for the weekly webcomic review, s'il vous plait. (Oh, right, like I know French.)
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| Date: | January 8th, 2007 04:33 am (UTC) |
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Reviews will be only for strips with less or equal traffic to my own strip I don't know what your traffic amounts to, but I'm not sure what mine is either. Sitemeter and Comicgenesis disagree wildly. Anyway, please read Sinister Bedfellows. |
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