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November 8th, 2006
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Dear People In General
Dear Democrats:

Now that you have actual power in the House (and possibly the Senate), please don't fuck this up and take on Bush's "Vote our way or die" tactics. I'm reading Barack Obama's latest book, and in it he recounts an incident that sums up much of the Bush administration for me: there was a vote on an important bill that came down. One of the Senators asked for some changes in the bill, which wasn't particularly well-written, saying, "Make these changes, and you'll get seventy votes on the floor."

"We don't want seventy votes," Karl Rove said. "We want fifty-one."

Reach out. Part of whatever goodness we can manage to squeeze from government comes from creating bills that have to endure the give-and-take of debate, that have to acknowledge the other guy has a point, and - God forbid - even address that point sometimes. I'm not saying that you should be centrist, but rather common sensist. I think that's your only hope of retaining that precious power you've been granted, and my hope lies with you.

Sincerely,
T.F.
Dear Ken Blackwell:

You have no idea how glad I am to see you go down in flames, you hypocritical, inefficient, bureaucratic little putz. I try to say only nice things about people, but really - I never found much about you I liked.

Sincerely,
T.F.
Dear Democratic Bloggers:

I hope to fucking God that if there are allegations of vote discrepancies in the close Virginia election on the Republican side, that you will be just as outraged by them and call for an investigation. I'd hate to find out that you're the kind of unprincipled assholes that you've been bitching about all these years, working for another side.

Sincerely,
T.F.
Dear Diebold:
I heard all about how you were rigging the election. In fact, I even linked to a video of how easy you were to hack myself! And since I did that, I thank you for deciding at the last minute to hand the election to the Democrats. That's very noble of you, and I'm honestly surprised that you did it. We should all write you letters of thanks.

Sincerely,
T.F.

(109 shouts of denial | Tell me I'm full of it)

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From:roniliquidity
Date:November 8th, 2006 12:18 pm (UTC)
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We were very pleased to discover we had paper ballots.
From:vengefulcynic
Date:November 8th, 2006 01:06 pm (UTC)
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You have no idea how jealous of you I am.
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From:jfargo
Date:November 8th, 2006 12:57 pm (UTC)

Re: Diebold

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Well, Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert) did say at one point that the person most likely to hack into the voting machines would be a 14 or 15 year old kid since they have the most technoligical knowledge at this point. Kids are usually more progressive and want more change, less likely to be conservatives, thus they put the Democrats in power(?)

It's really no worse than our current system.
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From:conglacio
Date:November 8th, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC)

Re: Diebold

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I never agreed with that idea, as the ones with the most need to hack into it are the people who either are in power or want to be in power. And those folks have enough contacts and money to get a corrupt hacker to do the job...
From:vengefulcynic
Date:November 8th, 2006 01:16 pm (UTC)
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I think it was NBC that was interviewing Barrack Obama at one point last night and he said something to the effect of "If we make this about paybacks instead of about progress, the voting public gains nothing."

Politics is a petty business. I've seen interviews with Republicans who talk about gerrymandering to screw over Democrats who screwed over their friends 10 years before and interviews with Democrats who talk about fillibustering to screw over Republicans who fillibustered them 10 years ago (who justified this by having been fillibustered back when Reagan got elected and so on.)

I am incredibly excited about the possibility of a couple of chances for cross-party negotiation and progress... if only because Barrack Obama demands it of his party and McCain demands it of his so that each has a shot at the presidency in '08.

An interesting comment in closing... if you remember back in 2000, Bush was elected as a centrist and a consensus-builder. While that platform has fallen by the wayside since he became president, the truly bizarre thing is that if you look at his legacy as Governor of Texas, he spent an obscene amount of time building consensus with the Democrats and establishing a balanced agenda. You have to wonder if it's even remotely possible that he could bring some of that back.
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From:kmg_365
Date:November 8th, 2006 01:35 pm (UTC)
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Governor of Texas, he spent an obscene amount of time building consensus with the Democrats and establishing a balanced agenda. You have to wonder if it's even remotely possible that he could bring some of that back.

It's not event remotely possible.
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From:kmg_365
Date:November 8th, 2006 01:34 pm (UTC)
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Re: your letter to the Democrats - actually working in a bi-partisan fashion can bite politicians in the ass. There are many people in the party who don't want politicians to co-operate with "the enemy." Bush got a lot of heat from the right for working with Ted Kennedy on the No Child Left Behind act. They weren't pissed about the contents of the bill; they were pissed that he worked with Kennedy. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Re: your letter to the Democratic bloggers - are they outraged over the reports that Arizona failed to provide sufficient ballots in heavily Republican districts?
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From:theferrett
Date:November 8th, 2006 02:17 pm (UTC)
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But that's the kind of Bush-centric "NO COMPROMISES WITH THE ENEMY" thing that I would like to see expunged from Washington. If talking to the opposition makes you a target for some voters, I say those voters are worth alienating.

And if they aren't mad about Arizona, they should be.
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From:pachamama
Date:November 8th, 2006 01:42 pm (UTC)
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Makes me wonder not why/whether Diebold delivered for the Dems this time, but rather whether all those anarcho-hackers (who hadn't the benefit of your blog link 2 years ago) decided it was payback time. One thing is clear: there needs to be a proper investigation.
From:authentichris
Date:November 8th, 2006 03:25 pm (UTC)
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but is a proper investigation defined as one that produces the results that YOU want?
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From:fengi
Date:November 8th, 2006 01:53 pm (UTC)

Don't play nice with back-stabbers.

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Ferret-

You need to read the Rolling Stone article about the Republican Congress. These people used every dirty trick in the book to keep the Democrats away from major rewrites of bills AFTER they were passed - including hiding the reconciliation committees. They will try to sabatoge the Dems at ever turn. This is not a time for reaching out, it's a time for stomping them because that's what the Republishits will be doing. Whether Dems are nice or not, they are going to accuse Dems of being obstructionist while playing the dirtiest games imaginable. So Dems shouldn't even try. Play hardball and investigate the hell out of them - more Republicans should resign in disgrace by 2008.
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From:theferrett
Date:November 8th, 2006 02:13 pm (UTC)

Re: Don't play nice with back-stabbers.

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What we obviously need is more obstruction and anger and vengefulness! It's a formula that works in South Central LA - why not our government?
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From:kibbles
Date:November 8th, 2006 02:05 pm (UTC)
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I had the option to use paper. So I did.
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From:theferrett
Date:November 8th, 2006 11:16 pm (UTC)
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Heh.

I used plastic.
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From:theferrett
Date:November 8th, 2006 03:06 pm (UTC)
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Given our brief discussion yesterday, I'd say almost certainly. *g*

Ken Blackwell's pulled a lot of niggling tricks in order to tilt the vote in the Republicans' direction, and in the process hasn't made the voting process any more efficient. Furthermore, the man's speeches have been stunningly right-wing and Christian (and though I am a Christian, I don't support the monotheistic nation ideal), and in a real act of stupidity during the debates he asked his opponent why he hired a known sex offender. It turned out that his opponent had hired someone, found out about the incident on the record, and let him go three months later. Meanwhile, he had an actual child molester working for him at the time he asked.

Not a good guy.
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From:anchasta
Date:November 8th, 2006 02:23 pm (UTC)
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"Dear Democratic Bloggers: I hope to fucking God that if there are allegations of vote discrepancies in the close Virginia election on the Republican side, that you will be just as outraged by them and call for an investigation. I'd hate to find out that you're the kind of unprincipled assholes that you've been bitching about all these years, working for another side."

As a Virginian, I'm right there with you! I got a paper ballot, and it made me very happy to see.

Now the Marriage Amendment results? Phew...infuriating!
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From:kmg_365
Date:November 8th, 2006 02:43 pm (UTC)
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Unfortunately, my county was one of the few (if not the only) counties in NoVA to vote for the marriage amendment.

Oi vey.
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From:ex_bookkeep
Date:November 8th, 2006 03:04 pm (UTC)
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As an after action note, I found it mildly repulsive that CNN would be proclaiming the Tennessee "isn't ready to vote for a black senator" this morning, while nothing was said about Michael Steele in Maryland.

I voted electronically and felt fine doing so. Whether a 5% change in House Membership indicates a sea change in public opinion remains to be seen.
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From:kmg_365
Date:November 8th, 2006 03:18 pm (UTC)
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I found it mildly repulsive that CNN would be proclaiming the Tennessee "isn't ready to vote for a black senator" this morning, while nothing was said about Michael Steele in Maryland


Steele was affiliated with the wrong party, silly. ;-)

Maybe they could say that Adrian Fenty won the DC election because DC isn't ready for a white mayor at the moment. :-)
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From:apostate_96
Date:November 8th, 2006 03:47 pm (UTC)
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I share the hope that the Dems won't squander or misuse the power they've managed to get hold of this time 'round. I have little enough faith left in our political process as it is, and much of it hangs there now.

I also agree with sending the thanks to Diebold.....or whoever their secret masters are!
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From:deliriousminuet
Date:November 8th, 2006 04:30 pm (UTC)
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I think that overall Democrats don't dislike Republicans for being more unethical or corrupt or hypocritical, but for wanting to fuck the environment and gay people (often in more than one sense!) and take away abortions and such. Human nature is grubby and appalling on both sides of the aisle, all we can hope for is that the bastards who agree with us more often are in charge.
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From:suzieboz
Date:November 8th, 2006 05:08 pm (UTC)

What We should always keep in mind for the next 2+ years...

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a few words from Tim Walz from last night:


"We have an opportunity now to lead this country in the direction it needs to go, leaving behind the divisive partisan politics. We need to start seeing our neighbors not as Democratic neighbors, Republican neighbors. They're our neighbors, they're Americans. This country can do better. We start tomorrow."

And that my friend is what Bush doesn't get. And by God it shows and now its FINALLY tomorrow.
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From:socrateswarrior
Date:November 9th, 2006 02:47 am (UTC)

Re: What We should always keep in mind for the next 2+ years...

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We'll see...I know I'm not the only one who isn't convinced yet. I would love it if politicians moved away from being so partisan, though.
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From:fengi
Date:November 8th, 2006 06:10 pm (UTC)
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"I hope to fucking God that if there are allegations of vote discrepancies in the close Virginia election on the Republican side, that you will be just as outraged by them and call for an investigation."

The FBI are already investigating Republican abuse in Virginia and there haven't been any complaints, yet. Since the last investigation of election tampering resulted in a Virginia Republican consultant going to jail for conspiring with James Tobin in illegal tactics, I say investigate up a storm.

It's all very good to desire civility, but stop playing into this false equivalency. Every large group is going to have a few flaws and an abuse of power - the reason the Republicans are being criticized, even by stalwarts within their own party, is the abuse is far beyond normal human fraility. It's arrogant and pervasive. Nothing annoys me more than when a massive bully starts whining someone might possibly have stepped on their toe.

This isn't about seeking vengence upon the GOP - which is impracticable and impossible - but it is about healthy distrust and criticism. And a win in the house is no reason to stop pointing out the arrogance and dishonesty of the right wing. If anything, it's a cause for more.
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From:phoenixredux
Date:November 8th, 2006 08:09 pm (UTC)
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Yes, thanks Diebold. Good work.
From:slayride27
Date:November 8th, 2006 08:09 pm (UTC)
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1) I really hope the Democrats can work with the Republicans on bipartisan legislation, but the real problem may be that Democrats and Republicans are too fractured in their own parties to do too much. Democrats will have liberal lawmakers in key positions, with many freshmen moderate or conservative Democrats that don't follow the liberal party line. Who knows where Lieberman is gonna stand after being scorned by Democrats? And the moderate Republicans who survived after the party pulled the rug on them to support conservative Republicans will almost certainly be looking to get something done, so that they can tell their constituents that they've done something since they won't have the money support of the party when things get tough. You might see something really odd happen, with coalitions of liberal Democrats and moderate Republicans and Independents versus conservative Democrats, Republicans, and Independents on many key issues.

2) I can't even express my relief properly that Ken Blackwell is no longer Secretary of State of Ohio and won't be governor of Ohio.

3) As for voting discrepancies, it'll be hard for Democratic bloggers to care about Republican voting problems after the Republicans cared so much about finding out about the truth in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004 and only cared about the results in their favor. Hypocrisy has been rampant in politics of late. Of course as Americans, we should all care about every voters' votes actually counting, regardless or whether the voter was affiliated with a certain party or not. It is our only say and voice in this country, to muffle or silence it is undemocratic.

4) It is unfortunate that we have trusted so much of our fate to machines, and it is even worse when we find out those very machines are easily influenced by hacking. But we can't turn back time either. Maybe something will happen in the next two years and we will actually get a new voting machine with a semblance of security.
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From:larrythelabrat
Date:November 8th, 2006 10:58 pm (UTC)
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In regards to your "Dear Diebold" letter, don't you think that if the Republicans actually had a plan to totally screw over the democratic process, they'd do something like give up a measly midterm election when things were bad but they still had the presidency, so that in two years they can do whatever they want and say "hey, couldn't have been rigged, the democrats were in power"?

If they'd won this year, then the challenger (the democrats) would have been beaten by a dirty trick by the corrupted officials in charge. But if they win in 2008 (where they can grab the Presidency, which they've clearly geared to making the much more important office), then the protests of the Democrats can be cast as the party in power trying to stay in power.

I don't honestly believe there's really a highly organizied scam that'll hit in 2008, but if they were going to pull it, that seems more likely than this year.
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From:theferrett
Date:November 8th, 2006 11:18 pm (UTC)
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Those conspiracy people-in-charge. Always so clever!
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From:tlttlotd
Date:November 9th, 2006 02:45 am (UTC)
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Dear Diebold:...

At least in my neck of Virginia, the e-voting machines were not manufactured by Diebold. No solid word from elsewhere.
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From:culculhen
Date:November 9th, 2006 01:51 pm (UTC)

I just read it again and wanted to react.

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Dear Ferrett,

If there are allegations of vote discrepancies in the close Virginia election on the Republican side I hope you and and the democratic blogger will simply ignore them until the allegations have been investigated or proof has been uncovered, and then but only then get outraged. I don't know if you have noticed, but allegations are meaningless without proof.

Yet merely the fact that allegations are made is enough for a lot of people to call for outrage. You are not alone Most people operate on a principle of were smoke is must be fire.

Karl Rove begs to differ. He has substantial knowledge of cases were smoke was just smoke.

He forced an competitor out of business by spreading allegations that the competitor was Gay, so he could win his clients.

he spread allegations that a popular judge was a homosexual pedophile, so his client could win.

He spread allegations that McCain his POW-ship had made McCain insane and that he had also fathered an coloured child, so his client could win.

He spread allegations that Kerry had lied about his service and his medals, so his client could win.

And in all his races that he lost close he spread allegations that voter fraud had kept his client from winning so he could take the case to court.

Rove has has used allegations to harm opponents unfairly and used the normal and natural and justified outrage that stems from a possible compromised election to do exactly that compromise elections by creating the allegations in the first place.

allegations of electoral fraud are very serious, they cast doubt on democratic process and the legitimacy. Thats why you and the democratic bloggers should wait with outrage until there is proof that fraud has happened. Otherwise you might just cause the damage to the process that you are trying to denounce.

Of course anybody who fails to denounce voter fraud when confronted with proof should be shot for good measure.

Sincerely,
CCH.
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