Put any man in a chair in a room alone with me for any length of time and I can get him to do anything.

This statement is patently absurd. For only one example, a gay man in a room with you for 5 seconds is not going to do whatever you want. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously if you actually believe this?

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As is clarified later in this string, I was referring to more than pure sex here. Anyone can be manipulated. Everyone has their weaknesses. For some it may be intelligence. For some it may be an Apple Pie. For some it may be sex.

Granted, I didn't make this statement as clear as I intended, but enji clarified it later on down the string for me.

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Perhaps my confusion is understandable, then, if someone else has to clarify for you what you really meant. ;) Further, all egoistic claims aside, my example stands. In 5 seconds, unless you already know the person and are prepared with their favorite bribe, you're not going to get "any man" to do whatever you want. Overblown statements diminish your credibility.

Regarding manipulation -- especially since it appears what you're actually referring to is coercion -- I find myself again puzzled. Am I misunderstanding, or are you insisting forcing your will on others is something "everyone does," therefore your practice in it is something to be proud of? If so, I'm afraid your initial assumption is incorrect -- cross-gender coercion is neither a constant, nor universal in the human species. Further, just because you can do something does not mean you should -- or even should brag about it.

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I already stated my comment was unclear; however, some understanding should be on the readers' part considering by the time I made that comment I had been being attacked for 4 hours straight for merely using the word "weapon" in the same sentence as the word "sex". All sorts of dirty words and names had been thrown my direction. Not that that would "force" me to choose my words carelessly, it most certainly should be understandable.


In 5 seconds, unless you already know the person and are prepared with their favorite bribe, you're not going to get "any man" to do whatever you want.

I never said 5 seconds. I said put them in a room with me. Time constraint was never addressed. So that would give me plenty of time to learn their weakness.

I am insisting that coercing/manipulating others is something that everyone could and has done. If not often, at least once in their life. Anyone, unless they be a child, who says "I've never manipulated anyone" is flatout lying. In fact, every child manipulates to get their way. My two year old flashes his smile when he is in trouble because he knows it will melt my heart. That is a form of manipulation and I emphatically say that unless you've been isolated your ENTIRE life, you have done it at sometime.

I never said I do it on a regular basis. I do seduce my SO, which I believe is absolutely acceptable, but at the very ROOT of the word, could be said to be a form of manipulation. I do not behave the way everyone here is making me out t behave. Just because I'm honest enough to say, "yeah, I bat my eyelashes on occasion to get my husband to think I'm cute" or "yeah, I use my sexuality to make my husband want me". And you know what? I'm 30 years old. In my past, I have used my sexuality in less than holy ways. Again, most people who are honest with themselves would have to agree that they've done it to.

I'm not bragging about it. I'm just stating that it's done and that it's possible and that everyone at some point in time has done it.

I never claimed pride in unsavory means.

PS. Anyone who thinks they or their SO are above coercion or manipulation is extremely naive. Those are typically the ones later going, "how did this happen to me?" Honesty with ourselves about our own weaknesses and how to prevent those weaknesses from being taken advantage of is the only way to prevent such horrific occurrences within relationships.

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