The Ferrett ([info]theferrett) wrote,
@ 2005-06-28 11:49:00
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Do-Be-Do-Me-Do

Women have a habit of asking you how women look. They seem to be eternally fascinated by not only how you view their beauty, but what you think of other women as well. I can't recall a single time when a guy has asked me, "So what do you think of Phil?" and meant "Is Phil cute to you?" but I get that a lot from women — even women who I'm not dating.

My answer used to be very binary: "I'd do her." Or, sometimes, "I'd do ya."

Or, alternatively, "She's not my type."

Women were shocked by this, giggling in disbelief as if I'd said something terribly naughty. (And if they had asked how they looked, sometimes they'd get very uncomfortable and guarded, as if I was going to leap on them and ravish them at any moment.)

This strange shyness always confused me; after all, wasn't that the whole reason you dressed up? The idea was to make yourself sexy and alluring, and to me I was just answering the only question that could truly tell you whether you'd succeeded: yes, you have made yourself so attractive that I'd like to bang you. Thanks for asking!

But a lot of the females I knew had this weird disconnect; they wanted men to flirt with them, but they wanted men to remain in some strange, cartoon-like asexual zone until they were ready to have sex. The men were supposed to be turned on, but only in a clinical fashion that was absolutely separate from their genitalia. The idea that an unauthorized male might be sporting an erection over their jiggling breasts was creepy to them, even if they'd gone to great lengths to make the tops of those breasts easily visible. In fact, I knew several women who dressed like hookers who got really upset when someone they didn't know told them they had a nice ass.

"You put the ass out there," I'd say. "You wrapped it so tightly in leather that it looks like a black version of your naked butt. Considering you went to such lengths to display the ass, why are you upset when someone notices it?"

They usually didn't take too well to that.

I viewed it as a control issue, and a slightly selfish one at that. Yes, I understand the whole "take back the night" issue, and I support the death penalty for serial rapists. But these guys aren't rapists; they're enthusiasts. You dressed to provoke a certain reaction, and you got that reaction — just not from the guy you were hoping to attract. And yeah, I'm sorry that the guy was enough of a lout to think that waxing rhapsodic over your boobs was sweet talk that would inevitably lead to the boudoir, and I can even get that it's tiresome fending off the aroused masses… but the idea that he was wrong for approaching you is just stupid.

You went trolling for men. You caught some. Yeah, you have to throw some back, but don't blame the men for that. What, the ugly and incompetent guys aren't supposed to try?

(Not all women were like that, of course. A lot of girls chirped, "Thanks!" and moved on whenever someone ogled them, and they were usually the ones I hung out with at the end of the evening.)

It's a weird game these women played. They wanted to dress up in fuck-me outfits and find men slick enough to lie to them. They'd find a guy who'd invest a few hours pretending that his main goal for the evening wasn't to dip the shaft… and if he feigned disinterest well enough, he'd be rewarded with an enthusiastic shaft-dipping.

And then these women would bitch that their boyfriends all cheated on them, and they were clearly stupid to expect anything else —they had gone out of their way to be attracted to men who had lied to them from the start. What the fuck did you think would happen?

Not all sexual interest is overwhelming. I can say, "Man, I'd like to fuck you silly" and not have it be so all-consuming that I can't enjoy an afternoon by the park with you. I mean, I'd like an ice cream cone, too, but it doesn't mean that it's all I think about. We can be friends, and I can respect the fact that you don't find me attractive, or that you do but we're both committed right now.

But occasionally, if I find you attractive, there's a part of me that wants to make it with you when I look at you from the right angle and remember what a babe you are. Everybody fucking thinks that sometimes. And then it goes away.

I'd do ya. Doesn't mean anything more than that.

Now let's go catch a movie.



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[info]new_iconoclast
2005-06-28 03:50 pm UTC (link)
Amen, brother. Well-said.

We should all print out copies of this to hand out at "those times."

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[info]blergeatkitty
2005-06-28 03:54 pm UTC (link)
You went trolling for men. You caught some. Yeah, you have to throw some back, but don't blame the men for that. What, the ugly and incompetent guys aren't supposed to try?

How very true.

This doesn't mean that sometimes one attracts a mob of guys so ugly and incompetent that one digs in the back of one's dresser for the baggy jeans and sweatshirts that add 40 pounds and subtract all traces of femininity, tosses out the makeup, and hides from all men everywhere.

I'm about at that point right now.

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Actually, yes. They're not *supposed* to try. - [info]realinterrobang, 2005-06-30 11:33 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Actually, yes. They're not *supposed* to try. - [info]blergeatkitty, 2005-07-01 03:08 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Actually, yes. They're not *supposed* to try. - [info]warmage, 2005-07-01 03:13 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]teriel
2005-06-28 03:55 pm UTC (link)
Good to hear a man tell as it is. I figure if I like a woman and tell her that I should be acknolwedged for my boldness, my willingness to take a risk. Even if that acknolwedgement is just a thanks.

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[info]sacramentalist
2005-06-28 03:58 pm UTC (link)
The Onion had an rticle titled "Woman Tired of Men Staring at her Fake Breasts"

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[info]shawnj
2005-06-28 03:58 pm UTC (link)
I can say, "Man, I'd like to fuck you silly" and not have it be so all-consuming that I can't enjoy an afternoon by the park with you. I mean, I'd like an ice cream cone, too, but it doesn't mean that it's all I think about. We can be friends, and I can respect the fact that you don't find me attractive, or that you do but we're both committed right now.

Wouldn't be great if the all but inevitable sexual tension in intergender friendships ended (or heated up) so frankly? Would save a lot of people from stress and worry.

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[info]spiral5
2005-06-28 03:58 pm UTC (link)
Brilliant and dead on. Mind if I link to this in my own journal?

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(no subject) - [info]theferrett, 2005-06-28 03:59 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]lefthand
2005-06-28 04:00 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I find it refreshing when people are upfront about their sexual interest. I think it show both maturity and courage. There is a social pressure to lie about the fact that sex is interesting. There is nothing like being interested in someone "that" way and getting the impression you are supposed to deny it.
Don't. As soon as I discover a sexual interest, I try to be straight about it. While it often garners rejection, it does clarify the matter at hand. The people I want to get to know better respond well to direct interest. They understand that it a compliment (and perhaps the most sincere complement out there).
Someone who puts up sexual cues and then isn't graceful about it has told you pretty much everything you need to know about them. I have met many of them in my time. The best response is to apologize and walk away as fast as your feet can carry you. It will only get worse from there.

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(no subject) - springinautumn, 2005-06-29 12:55 am UTC (Expand)

[info]didi75
2005-06-28 04:03 pm UTC (link)
So true. If you're going to flaunt it, expect some attention. I have a friend who dances all freaky in clubs and then gets surprised when guys try to dance up on her. She's doing all of these sexy moves like she's some stripper and doesn't expect horny ass guys to notice, and act on their desires? I don't think it's right (I mean for guys to force themselves on dancing girls), but at the same time I'm very conscious of the way I dance in a club. I don't want some greasy git touching me from behind.

Anyway, playing dress up is good fun and I can't say I don't enjoy the attention. When I make an effort, somebody better fucking notice. I'd be upset if they didn't. But that doesn't mean I'd want to do ya/them.

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[info]pixievixen
2005-06-28 04:06 pm UTC (link)
hehe "i'd do ya" or "hell, i'd do her/him" is my husbands rating system for hot people everywhere... it doesn't mean i should concern myself with him not being able to control himself (or that he's planning on leaving me for heath ledger)... he's just saying that with that look, if the situation was right & presented itself, he wouldn't say no based on my/your/their look.

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[info]daemonnoire
2005-06-28 04:13 pm UTC (link)
I don't mind guys looking when I'm dressed up. I don't mind them approaching to talk or dance. It's when they persist after I've told them I'm not interested or worse when they try to touch without invitation. That's when the Boot Stomping is required.

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