In reading this thread, it seems to me that he is in fact interested in having a debate. You, on the other hand, have yet to provide any sort of rational backing to your "arguments".

That's absolutely untrue and by nature of saying it you are automatically disqualifying entire possibilities. Just because you do not understand or believe something does not mean you can disqualify it in such a blanket statement. That says something to your ineptitude as a scientist. No logical thinker would blanketly speak in absolutes.


Funny story, I happened to note that you used "absolutely untrue", but then discredited speaking in absolutes. If you are truly someone who has "faith", then you have no reason whatsoever to be arguing with this man (whose statements have, at very least, been logical statements, where yours have been logically-flawed attacks on his assertion of fact).

Faith does not preclude those having it from being logical, even by dint of faith being, by some definition, based purely on fundamental personal conviction, and not at all by anything that could be considered "empirical". There is no refuting of facts by faith, and no refuting of something held in faith by something perceived by many as fact.

Maybe our "facts" are merely illusions put here by God, to test our faith. That certainly has been posited by a good deal of people. However, many people believe in what they see and what can be more easily described as cause-and-effect relationships between matters and energies. What is more easy to swallow: That X happened because of the interaction between some natural force Y and some bits of matter Z, or that an invisible omnipotent being just Felt Like It?

I'm not arguing against your personal convictions. It is an argument I could never and really never intend to win. On the other hand, however, I find it a bit foolish and naïve to simply attack this gentleman because he is presenting information (about the scientific community and about the information they have brought forth) you disagree with. Especially when you can't back it up with anything.

Nice try, though.

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Yep. That whole crazy spiel was absolutely good argument.

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Oh, and I've offered an entire list of sources of proof for anyone interested, if they would contact me via email; which I've provided several times in the thread.

Surprising to see not one person here has actually expressed an interest.

I have plenty to back up everything I've said here. Seems to me everyone here is afraid to look at it.

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a) What was crazy about what I said? Actually give an answer this time, instead of veiledly admitting defeat by calling me "crazy".

b) I've read it, and it still doesn't make sense. So I suggest you quit talking in moronic absolutes about how "everyone" is "afraid to look at it". Once again, your inability to add anything has been utterly transparent.

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She has been polite. I ask that you be polite as well, since this is treading the line into outright insult.

Thank you.

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a) I didn't call you crazy. You were talking about his arguments being logical. I was referring to the entire paragraph HE had made about my mental state. At that point in time, any argument he had made to me became invalid in my book. Anyone who resorts to name calling doesn't have much worthwhile to say. At least not to me.

b) My point is that I have a running list of sites of information. Instead of misquoting or misrepresenting partial theories here, I choose to direct people right to the source and let them judge for them selves. I purposefully try not to translate too much complicated theory because that is where "lies" take place - if you misuse a word or confuse a concept. And in this arena, it seems hyenas are ready to pounce. I have the list. No one has yet to ask for it. To me that translates as fear; I don't know what it means to you.

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Why do you insist on providing them only via email? I prefer not to share my email address with people I don't know since I don't know what they're going to do with it -- sell it to some spammer? Post it somewhere? I can't think of any reason why you should not post this list of links, since you've been asked for them repeatedly. Your insistence that they are available via email smacks of fear of something as well, although I can't figure out what. Either fear, or an intense desire to have email addresses of people who doubt you. Either way, it doesn't look good.

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The fact that I've put my personal email address out here for all to see is proof that I'm not afraid. I've opened myself up for all sorts of wackjobs. I've chosen not to bog theferrett's journal down with a huge post of info that is just as easily sent via email. If you'll note my original comment had nothing to do with evolution. The evolutionists saw fit to come attack me not the other way around.

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*raises eyebrows*

And yet instead, you choose to respond seventy zillion times over to various people, each time claiming that you have evidence that you have yet to provide here, shooting my comment count to 350 in the name of not bogging my journal down?

Logic fails.

To you, it seems as if people are afraid to ask for evidence; to them, it probably seems like you'll only provide evidence to one person at a time, where their collective intelligence cannot pick flaws in it. I haven't said anything about it until now, but your reasoning for not providing it is definitely WAY off.

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Yeah. As I was righting that answer it occurred to me that yes there were some 100+ comments to me; but legitimately, any ADDITIONAL info I post here is ONLY going to result in MORE comments.

And frankly, it easier to provide evidence to one person at a time; to carry on a legitimate conversation over one particular facet without a zillion people who really dont' have a reasonable opinion jumping in. And yes, I like the way my gmail organizes them all into little conversations so I can keep them straight instead of having to come back here and dig through comments.

I will be more than happy to put the list up here in response to all inquiries, if you think that is a more viable solution, considering this is your journal. Personally, I think it will make it worse, but then again, you are more knowledgeable than I in these matters (yes, small butt kiss there).

And is this whole thing serving as an annoyance to you? I can stop commenting at any time. As much as my hardheadedness just hates to let anything go (hence my initial responses to my attackers), I really don't care what impression these people carry away of me; as long as they got SOMETHING from the conversation or reading it.

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