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June 2nd, 2005
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The Weirdest Book I Ever Got

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From:monenigme
Date:June 2nd, 2005 08:00 pm (UTC)
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Yes I do.

Is there a broader point?
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From:vvvexation
Date:June 2nd, 2005 08:35 pm (UTC)
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Just that unfalsifiability is what makes the popular theories of creation unscientific. You seemed to be ignoring that when it was pointed out earlier, and attacking straw men instead.
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From:monenigme
Date:June 2nd, 2005 08:46 pm (UTC)
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No one here seems to be acknowledging how the conflicting evidence to evolution impacts their theory. That conflicting evidence leads me to look for new theories. That search takes me to Flood Theory. There is plenty of proof to support that. Just as much as there is to support Evolution.

I'm not discussing the existence of God. Yes, that would fall under unfalsifiability. But the laws of logic do lead us down a path that can include the possibility of such.
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From:arensb
Date:June 2nd, 2005 09:16 pm (UTC)
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That search takes me to Flood Theory. There is plenty of proof to support that.

What evidence is there for a global flood within the past few thousand years?
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From:britzkrieg
Date:June 2nd, 2005 09:28 pm (UTC)
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What evidence is there of a global flood ever?

Where did the water come from... and where did it go?
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From:monenigme
Date:June 3rd, 2005 12:10 am (UTC)
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I'm assuming then that you haven't really researched flood theory. It's quite fascinating, even if you don't put any credence in it. It bears a great amount of influence on all sorts of things from pressure chambers for healing and snake bites and why some are deadly.

Beginning info on evidence of flood:
http://icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-006.htm

If you are interested in the more interesting fun facts, let me know - I have tons of those...

For example: venomous snake bites are not truly poison; merely proteins that our bodies cannot break down without suitable electrical current. If suitable current is applied, you actually end up healthier AFTER the snake bite. Read up on pre flood earth and you can see WHY that would be important to the theory.
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From:arensb
Date:June 3rd, 2005 09:54 pm (UTC)
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Beginning info on evidence of flood:
http://icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-006.htm


Wow. I thought you had to be the president of Oscar Mayer to produce such a huge pile of baloney.

The first half of the article just complains about mainstream geologists and, for some reason, Karl Marx. After that, the author settles down a bit and writes that sedimentary rock implies water. I don't see anything wrong with that paragraph.

But then he blows it when he writes:
The importance of this fact is obvious when one realizes that the identification of the geologic "age" of any given sedimentary rock depends solely upon the assemblage of fossils which it contains. [...] No, a rock is dated solely by its fossils.
which is wrong in every particular.

He then engages in a bit of hand-waving to make geologic unconformities support his conclusion. But he doesn't give any specifics, and his conclusion doesn't seem to follow from his argument.

Then we have Creationist Claim CC310, that dating is circular. This is pure weapons-grade baloney.

He closes with a big finale, Creationist Claim CH561.3, that fossils are sorted by their ability to escape rising floodwaters:
Fossils or birds and mammals are found only at the higher elevations because they live at higher elevations and also because they are more mobile and could escape burial longer. Human fossils are extremely rare because men would only very rarely be trapped and buried in flood sediments at all, because of their high mobility.

This is colloquially known as the "grass can outrun velociraptors" theory, since grass and flowering plants are only found above dinosaurs.

You may also want to read Glenn Morton's Story in his own words. Morton was a young-earth creationist with the ICR until his work as a geologist convinced him that ICR was spreading lies.

Also, have you read ICR's Tenets of Creationism, which basically say that they've already decide what The Truth is, and aren't interested in facts that contradict them? In other words, they're not interested in doing science.
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From:finback
Date:June 3rd, 2005 11:23 pm (UTC)
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"This is colloquially known as the "grass can outrun velociraptors" theory, since grass and flowering plants are only found above dinosaurs."

I also call it the "Pterosaurs couldn't fly" argument ;)
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From:nodding_folk
Date:June 9th, 2005 11:19 am (UTC)
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"That search takes me to Flood Theory. There is plenty of proof to support that. Just as much as there is to support Evolution."

That is absolutely false. There is zero evidence to support "Flood Theory" and mountains of evidence for evolution.
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