The Watchtower of Destruction: The Ferrett's Journal - The Compleat Guide To LiveJournal Stardom And Fame, Part II
March 19th, 2004
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The Compleat Guide To LiveJournal Stardom And Fame, Part II

THE FERRETT:
When I sally forth to seek my prey
I write my posts in controvers'ial ways.
I start a few more flames, it's true,
Than a well-bred writer ought to do;
But as simply a blog on the internet,
If you want to many readers get,
You must manage somehow to review
More sordid themes than e'er I do,
For I am the Comment King!
And it is, it is a glorious thing
To be the Comment King!
For I am the Comment King!

ALL:
You are!
Hurrah for the Comment King!

Yesterday, I looked at what it took to get a larger friends-of list on LiveJournal. But I glossed over one of the biggest portions of gaining a large reader list: Comments.

Getting comments is important for the aspiring LJ Whore because while a large friends-of list is nice, the comments are the measure of how deeply your readers interact with you. A reader who's continually discussing your writings is someone who's far more likely to pimp your LJ in his journal, or to reference some discussion going on in a sub-thread of one of your posts. And this, in turn, will spread your name as far and wide as acid rain.

Also, a huge commentary is one of the best parts about LJ; I'll be honest here and say that I consider The Watchtower of Destruction to be my own personal bulletin board. I write on a topic, and a whole bunch of people dissect what I wrote. I get corrections, diversions, digressions, and - yesterday - naked pictures. Comments are the best part of LJ.

(Be warned that they can be addictive, though. I really have to work at working when I've got a thread with heavy commentage going. If anything's going to topple my goal of getting five short stories published this year, it's you guys.)

So that said, what makes an LJ commentworthy?

Step #1: Write About Questions.
Almost every comment-heavy thread asks a single question:

"Why?"

Remember, the point of comments is that they are a form of feedback, so if you want comments you need to try to engage the reader in a dialogue. When you write, you should be attempting to answer a question: Why do people hate gays? Why do people say something sucks based on popularity alone? Why doesn't the Atkins diet (or, in the revision, the bastardized "street" Atkins diet) work? Why do the new Star Wars films suck? Why does anyone read [LiveJournaller X]?

Mind you, it's not enough to just ask the question; a post that consists of the phrase "Why is Michelle Kwan the USOC sportswoman of the year?" might get you a few comments, but no more than a handful. What you want to do is ask the question, then attempt to answer it yourself. "Why is Michelle Kwan the USOC sportswoman of the year? She hasn't had a particularly strong performance this year, and her talents are failing. Here's why I think she got it..."

If you do something like that, people will no doubt post to tell you that you're full of it, that Michelle Kwan is still at the top of her game, and then someone else may defend you. This is how dialogues are started.

Step #2: Leave Room For Dialogue.
Some of my best posts have gotten the least comments. Gini's experienced the same thing. We write this perfect little gem of an essay, one we're particularly proud of, and we hit the "Post" button and wait for the comments.

None arrive.

What it inevitably turns out is that our essay said it all. We've written a moving essay about how beautiful the fall leaves are in Cleveland... But what's anyone going to say? You've either seen the fall leaves in Cleveland, or you haven't. If you have, we've pretty much nailed the experience. If you haven't, you've read the essay and went, "Oh, so that's what it's like!"

Either way, ain't nobody got much to say.

People feel dopey posting comments that say, "Great essay!" They generally want to save their accolades for complaints and clarifications. Thus, the things that make great comment-worthy entries are not always the best essays. Sometimes, my worst writings have gotten the most comments, mainly because I was so monstrously ill-informed that there was plenty of room for people to correct me.

There is a trick, though, to getting comments in an otherwise-closed post, though it only works if you have a middling friends-of list. In fact, I used it in the first post on this topic. Quick. Can you spot the shameless trick in that post?

It's here: "Now. I think that's it. Did I miss anything? Let me know."

People love to write about themselves. As such, any time you can ask people, "So how's this relate to you?" do it.

When I wrote about my problems with mispronouncing words, I probably would have gotten a fair amount of comments anyway because it left room for people to go, "I did that, too! Who knew?" But what really drove it over the top and got 273 comments was me asking, "What word did you fuck up in the most public and embarrassing way?"

People told me by the hundreds. And that's how you turn a simple essay into a dialogue.

(Incidentally, I read every goddamn comment I get. Frequently, I get these mopey posts saying, "Well, I'm comment #4,000, and you'll never see this, but..." No. I read them all. I may not reply if I'm short on time, but I do read them.)

Step #3: Write About What Annoys You.
You know what post first pushed my wife over the "75 comments" mark? (Actually, she'd never beaten fifty before, either, so it really catapulted her into the stratosphere.)

Not politics. Oh, she'd written about politics before, but the problem with writing about politics is that everybody does it. There's only so many "I loves me some gays/I hates me dem gays" threads you can see before your eyes glaze over.

Nope. It was her essay informing parents that their teenagers were having sex. If you want an example of how to generate commentary by the third sentence of your opening, study this:

"Your children are having sex. If they aren't, they will be soon, so just assume that they are. It's kind of hard to fathom that someone has to tell you, the first post-60s generation, that this is so, but apparently a lot of you are hoping that your kids won't take the drugs you took, won't pull the same stunts you pulled, and won't be groping each other the way you did."

Her next big comment thread (73 total) was "Here Thar Be Blood," a vitriolic rant on the idiocy of menstruation. Up until then, she'd been getting 5s and 11s of comments, slowly creeping up. Those two put her over the top.

You would be surprised how widely shared even the smallest annoyances are. In fact, the smaller they are, the better they tend to be for commentary; everyone's annoyed by Iraq and the al-Qaeda to some extent. But write about your hatred of J.R.R. Tolkien, and people will comment in huge torrents of email, going, "Oh, thank God! I thought it was just me!"

Remember: The best topics for comment are, essentially, "Why is this so stupid?" Gini's always been a good writer, but only recently did she catch on to what engages people.

Step #4: Reverse Your Normal Impulses.
If you're an angry guy by nature, writing an angry essay is not going to leave any room for comment. After you write "BUSH SUCKS HE FUCKING SUCKS MY ASS DONG THAT COCKSUCKER," nobody's going to leave a comment - because if they agree, they have nothing to say, and if they don't they'll be terrified of getting into a dumb flame war with you.

If you're a conciliatory person by nature, writing a pleasant essay that excuses whatever it is that bugs you with a "But I guess that's how people are" will not get comments either, because you'll be so wishy-washy that nobody will be able to disagree with you.

Cross the wires. Be a little less angry or a little bit less nice. Either way, you'll be moving towards the middle, which is where most of the people are to be found.

Step #5: Don't Ask The Question If You Don't Want The Answer.
If you write, "Why does everyone think I'm a big fat loser?" you'd better be prepared for people to venture a lot of unpleasant theories. If you ask, "Why in hell is Bush so popular?" you'd better be prepared for the conservatives who will - *gasp* - attempt to defend Bush.

If you don't want to hear opposing viewpoints, then don't fucking ask. Too many people write these long tirades about their political viewpoint and then get enraged when someone suggests that hey, maybe there's another way.

This especially applies if you start discussing your personal life. People will comment and tell you what you should do, and sometimes strongly, especially when you hit the 200+ friends-of mark. You have been warned. If all you're going to do is flame the people who speak up, then you might as well stay home.

(Which is not to say that dismissing someone for an idiot every once in awhile is bad. If someone's clearly a fool and can't back up their arguments, say so; you don't need them hanging around anyway. But if the only way to do something is your way, then this is not a dialogue - this is a monologue.)

Step #6: Do Not Under Any Circumstances Use LJ-Cuts.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lemme sum up your pro-LJ-Cut arguments for you:

Blah blah blah courtesy to others blah blah blah how dare you take up my friends page blah blah blah bandwidth blah blah everyone loves the LJ-Cut blah blah blah even Mother Theresa said the LJ-Cut was next to Godliness.

Blah.

But there's one fact which all of the LJ-Cut people ignore: Putting up an LJ-Cut is, essentially, saying, "This isn't important. You can skip it." And people do. Every time I've seen someone hold an LJ-Cut experiment, to see if people read what they had to say, it's been the same result:

An LJ-Cut reduces your readers by about half, and sometimes up to two-thirds. And if people don't read it, they don't comment.

The inevitable riposte is, "But people will skim past large entries, anyway!" - and that's true. A lot of people will skip right past this entry, for instance. But some people will read it just because it's there, and they'll get engaged halfway down, and bingo you have a comment.

I'm not saying all LJ-Cuts are evil: I want LJ-Cuts for photos, spoilers and quizzes. And I'm also not taking a moral stance in this case: You can do what you want. It's like yesterday; I said that if you wanted to be popular, you had to add everyone back, and people said, "Ferrett, no, that's wrong."

Unfortunately, it's right. I've seen it happen at least three times: People either gained popularity when they started adding everyone back, or they lost popularity when they stopped adding people back. Adding people gains friends.

Likewise, regardless of what you personally think of LJ-Cuts, LJ-Cuts cost you comments. Thus, if comments are your goal, you will want to eschew the cut. Then again, I don't add everyone back as a matter of course; you are free to LJ-Cut your posts. Being the Biggest LJ Rock Stah is not my main goal, and it probably shouldn't be yours, either.

Step #7: Post At 8:00 a.m. On A Weekday
The biggest comments I get are the essays I post early on, when people are just starting their Friends list in the morning. If I'm one of the top twenty entries, I have a much greater shot at getting a reply than when you get to the Skip=350 phase, when they're exhausted and just skimming.

Early-morning posts get more responses than afternoon or nightly posts. And yes, I have studied this.

Step #8: Respond, You Idiot.
If someone writes something in your journal, it's because they were moved in some way by your writing. Every comment is a tiny act of fandom.

Therefore, it's of all at interest, write back.

Commentary is a dialogue, not a monologue, and acknowledging that yes, someone wrote five paragraphs on a topic vaguely related to yours is simply a courtesy. Find something to say about it, even if it's just a sentence or two, so they don't feel like their words fall into the aether.

Don't write back to everybody, of course; that feels phony. Sometimes you just don't have much to add, especially when someone writes "LOL." But if you're sitting there waiting for more comments to flow, the first step is to prime the pump by saying, "Hey, I read that. Did you think of this?"

To quote Brighn: " Since most people want to be LJ stars, the best way to get your own ass kissed is to kiss other people's." He is sooooo right.

Step #9: To Thine Own Self Be True.
I'm discussing very mercenary methods of getting comments, but most people can sense a phony personality very quickly. Write about what you're interested in first, and then think about making it comment-worthy. If I was primarily concerned with popularity, I wouldn't write about porn, or suicide, or self-responsibility when applied to specific people, because every time I write about that I watch my numbers drop.

But on the other hand, I like to think that the people who do stay stick around because I write about whatever crosses my mind.

There comes a point where you can sell out - and frankly, LJ isn't worth it. LJ's a fun diversion and is certainly a great joy in my life, but I write for fun. I have serious writing that I do for cash; this is my place to unwind. You're not going to make money blogging. You might get some pleasant bennies, and some fan mail, and some other very nice stuff... But nobody's going to pay you for this. As such, the exclusive pursuit of pseudo-celebrity is a waste of time.

You can enter the popularity contest, sure. Just don't give up too much in an attempt to win it.

Here is the point where I'd say, "So did I miss anything?" - except you all read Step #2, so you know what that means. But seriously, I am curious as to what you perceive as common threads in your most-commented-upon entries, because the science of what gets feedback is still a very fascinating thing to me.

'Course, it helps that the community of LJ fascinates me, too.

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From:wyrrlen
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:39 pm (UTC)
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I'm not sure if this is a gripe or a request for clarification on what you mean with step #7.

Should west-coasters be getting up at 5 or 6 am just to attract the eastern bunch? Do east-coasters get a break until 10 because they know the most interested part of the audience won't be up for a few hours anyway?

Then again, you posted early and I've just proved your point, so....perhaps we all get a break until noon each day.
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From:theferrett
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:43 pm (UTC)
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Hmm. Hadn't considered that.

If you're really big on comments, then yeah, 8 a.m. EST. But it's not that critical.
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From:shellefly
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:43 pm (UTC)
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You are, hurrah for the Comment King!

Now I have Gilbert and Sullivan in my head, specifically my high school production of Pirates of Penzance. Luckily it was a good production and therefore not painful to listen to.
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From:e_juliana
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:50 pm (UTC)
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You are not alone in your earworm, though I have the Kevin Kline version in my head.

Too fun.
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From:lyssrose
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:45 pm (UTC)
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I received the most comments when I announced that I had gotten married the day before. Unfortunately, I did so in an LJ-cut, so I wonder just how many more comments there would have been if I had just posted it openly. *grin*

But other than that, I usually stay under 15 comments per post - and half of those will be me replying to other people's comments. Heh.
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From:eskermikey
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:47 pm (UTC)

Regarding LJ-Cuts

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I am actually more likely to read an entry if it is behind an LJ-Cut. As I skim through my friends page any such links are opened in a new window almost without me thinking, thus leaving them there for me to read at my leisure.

The lack of distraction from other posts makes me somewhat more likely to leave comments as well.
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From:theferrett
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:50 pm (UTC)

Re: Regarding LJ-Cuts

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Good for you. If more people were like you, then I would be telling people that LJ-Cuts were the way to go and then we could all be on the same page where courtesy and feedback could be accomplished via the same thing.

Alas, they aren't. I wish they were.
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From:wolflady26
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:52 pm (UTC)
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The other thing that budding rock stars might not realize about step number 8 (respond, you idiot), is that it can often be intimidating to write comments. If you don't know someone very well and you are commenting on something that is a sensitive subject, it can feel like a rejection to get no response. Like you stuck your nose where it didn't belong, and got it swatted for the trouble.

You might never have intended that, and you might even have appreciated the input, but if you don't express that, the commenter won't know, and might end up with a sour taste in his mouth after the experience.
From:quailgirl
Date:March 19th, 2004 05:57 pm (UTC)
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If you don't know someone very well and you are commenting on something that is a sensitive subject, it can feel like a rejection to get no response. Like you stuck your nose where it didn't belong, and got it swatted for the trouble.

I agree with that. Though also, sometimes people will leave me very wonderful, very well thought out comments to things, and I have a hard time responding because I don't think I can write them a response as wonderful as they deserve for their comments. Hell, most of the time all people get from me is a "<3" and we call it a day. I guess that goes to show I'm not cut out for being an LJ Star or whatnot, but I'm sure there's got to be others out there who have the same problem responding as I do...or at least I hope!
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From:vienneau
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:55 pm (UTC)
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Dammit Ferrett - all those links to "here are some naked pics of me" were friends only! You've just cock-teased all your male readership!

*I* on the other hand keep the nudity pics in my icon, which apparently leads everyone to think that I'm the topless girl (or in my other icon, the Coyote Ugly bartender passing me a shot directly from her mouth). That being said, it's helped get me friends!

So an additional rule/idea that you may want to investigate/consider:

Female LJs get more interest than Male LJs?

Or

Single people LJs get more interest than "those that have chosen"?

So pretend to be a single female and you're likely to pick up some extra friends - whether you want those particular friends or not is an entirely different matter.




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From:shadesong
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:29 pm (UTC)
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Single people LJs get more interest than "those that have chosen"?

Dunno... I have high readership, and I've been yendi's partner since way before LJ....

There ought to be a poll on this! *laugh*
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From:arkhamrefugee
Date:March 19th, 2004 02:57 pm (UTC)

Some of the things I've noticed

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I have been known to occasionally get up in the 50+ category when doing my posts and I've noticed that usually the reasons are:

  • I'm talking about sex. Sex sells, I guess and LJ is no different. Usually when I get a really big thread going it's because I'm posting on some kind of sexual topic.

  • Reply, reply, reply. I know that when I reply to people with more than a "You're right" to their comments, that nine times out of ten, they will reply back to me and so we get into this feedback loop of needing to have the last word. Which jacks the comment numbers up.

  • Confrontation breeds discussion. Honestly, some of the biggest, non-sex posts that I get comments on are when I take a stand and say, "This thing X is so damn stupid because...". And usually I get responses out the wazoo saying how I'm either right or I'm wrong. I don't do much for politics, but I usually have a stance on issues that directly intersect my life and I don't get bashful about expressing my opinions. Most people seem to respond to that.


There you go. Those are my personal observations.
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From:theferrett
Date:March 21st, 2004 04:09 am (UTC)

Re: Some of the things I've noticed

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Sex is all that. And having an opinion is the other.

Replying is the main power of attracting comments. At least so I believe.
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From:tevriel
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:00 pm (UTC)
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What I find gets the most comments in my own journal is things that:

a) bore half my readers, but interest the other half in discussing the esoteric thing I just brought up (only possible because half my friends are academia geeks)

b) are about something I did that that person then goes on to try.

Personally, I read you partly because you often talk about things I don't totally agree with you on - the porn thing is a good example of that - but which lead me to consider another perspective. You put forward your own point of view interestingly and intelligently, don't assume that yours is the One True Path, and I've read (and participated in) interesting discussions in the comments.

Yours is the Party Journal of Fun, where I encounter people with whom I have very little in common. Including you. If we were neighbours I doubt we'd be close friends, but if you were part of my social circles you'd be one of my favourite people to have friendly arguments with at the pub.

Which I think is really the important thing about comments-whoring - let your journal be somewhere where people can get, or at least watch, a good conversation.
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From:theferrett
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:39 pm (UTC)
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Which I think is really the important thing about comments-whoring - let your journal be somewhere where people can get, or at least watch, a good conversation.

Damn. One sentence trumps my entire post.
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From:sneakingyoda
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:01 pm (UTC)

Good Morning.

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Both parts of this particular writing are well done.

I actually go to thinking about this yesterday. "Do I? the amazing Sneakingyoda really want to be a LJ Star?" and I realized, while it would be nice to get more than 1 comment on the occasional posting, My journal is meant more like a communication tool for my local, and not so local friends. I really do treat it more like a common journal than a magazine.

Becoming an LJ star would work against this idea. I would edit my thoughts and my posts even MORE than I do now. And soon I would Alienate the readers that I value the most, even though they are also the ones who don't comment, I guess it just doesn't matter.

Though, I have seriously considered making an alternative journal to play an Alter Ego in, and thus limit myself from my personal in securities, and see how far the mad man can run.

It might be an interesting experiment. LJ Stardom as an alter Ego would be very Hollywood of me.

From:quailgirl
Date:March 19th, 2004 05:59 pm (UTC)

Re: Good Morning.

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It might be an interesting experiment. LJ Stardom as an alter Ego would be very Hollywood of me.

I think that idea is fantastic. I'd love to know how it turns out.
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From:tevriel
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:02 pm (UTC)
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Oh, yeah - the 8am thing?

Why, you American-centric bastard, you. Some of us live in different timezones!
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From:theferrett
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:42 pm (UTC)
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Get up earlier. Or later. Or whatever it is you furriners have to do to post in a REAL timezone. *G*
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From:swills
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:02 pm (UTC)
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I wonder if I'm the only one who finds this series hysterical. :) This isn't meant as a reflection on you Ferrett - what you say is true and I'm sure your comments are spot on - but the fact that some people feel better about themselves because 173 other people post a comment that basically agrees with them is beyond my comprehension.

You (the royal 'you', not you personally Ferrett) have 500 people on your friends list? Woop-de-fucking-doo. :) 450 of those people have never met you and will never meet you. 30-40 more are casual acquaintances at best. What exactly is it people are competing for?

I just don't understand why people seem to think this is a good forum for publishing essays? You've got 500 readers. Well done. Write some Magic article for StaryCityGames and you've probably got 10 times that. This is the *worst* place to publish anything if you want people to read it. Why compete to be biggest goldfish in the goldfish bowl when there are ponds, lakes and oceans out there?

This whole topic just screams "Look at me! Worship me!! VALIDATE MEEE!!" to me. But that's just me. :)
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From:tevriel
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:07 pm (UTC)
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I know what you mean, but it's interesting anyway. I think it's the ego thing - we like the idea that people want to read what *we* say. I'm not out to get hundreds of readers, but I like winning over the leadership of people I respect. There's a couple of people who read me who gave me thrills when I noticed they'd added me to their reading list, since I think they're very cool. On the other hand, I've actively discouraged people from reading me before (to the point of detailing exactly why I don't like them in my journal itself) because I *didn't* like, respect, or want anything to do with them ever because they made me want to take a shower under my skin.
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From:shermel
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:07 pm (UTC)
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I often wonder why people who don't want to read your - the generic you - entrys bother having you - still the generic you - on their friends list. I know that not everyone reads everything; but surely it's more effort to click on an LJ cut than it is to scroll past a long entry.

I also don't understand how it screws up a friends list. Huge pictures screw up a friends list, long entries - in my opinion - don't.


I don't get an awful lot of comments and I'm terrible at replying to them so I kinda prefer it that way. Too much responsibility. But I seem to remember the entry that generated the most was too lines long and went something like:

Does anyone know how much heroine costs? Y'know, just off hand*

Half were worried mothering comments. Most of the rest were 'she can do what she wants' comments and one pointed out the spelling mistake.

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From:shermel
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:13 pm (UTC)
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Sigh...

two lines, not too lines.

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From:ab_ra_ca_dab_ra
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:09 pm (UTC)
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wow...interesting reading.....

I get lots of comments when my LJ-cuts contain pics of a non-work-safe nature LOL....and then most of the comments are generated by a conversation thread going on somewhere!!
I also get a few comments when I talk about personal experiences, not fictional stories or the like. The commenters are normally relating to them in their own life, or offering hugs!!

Because on my 'old' journal I had a half/half mix of US friends and UK friends, I found that my comments came in two 'waves' due to the time difference. if I do my entries at supper-time here, they would be 'added to' buy Uk's almost immediately, and then a few hours later when the US's came home from work!!

oh, and for the record, I prefer no lj-cuts.....even tho long posts fill up my page, it makes me more inclined to read them :)
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From:theferrett
Date:March 21st, 2004 04:13 am (UTC)
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The personal experience thing can work, but it really depends on the story. Some of my stories generate a ton of response, some generate none. I'm still trying to figure out what makes some stories commentable.

Nekkid pics, of course, would lower my reader count by about seven hundred at a shot. But that's me.
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From:splagxna
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:09 pm (UTC)
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having recently seen the chicago lyric opera's production of pirates of penzance... hee hee hee. lovely. more?
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From:napalmmk9
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:14 pm (UTC)

What's this porn hoopla all about?

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Ferrett, I'm new to your journal and I've never seen this whole porn rant of yours. Since I know that you a.) read all of your comments, and b.) are likely to respond to them, would it be too much to ask to have a link to the most contentious porn rant?
Even if I don't agree with you, and I might not, of course, it's always good to read the opposing viewpoint if for no other reason than to solidify my own argument. And I'm pretty confident that yours (asskissing alert) will be pretty well reasoned and eloquent. Even if it turns out you're dead wrong.
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From:theferrett
Date:March 21st, 2004 04:15 am (UTC)

Re: What's this porn hoopla all about?

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Look here. It starts on the ninth, and I got to Part IV before I realized Part V would be a bitch. I'll get around to it one day.
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From:shadesong
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:28 pm (UTC)
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You based the "community" section of your LJ Purity Quiz largely on my journal, so people should go read that. :)

I get a lot of comments when I'm just plain being silly - 60+ for my one-line "I ate the donut" post. Or 80s nostalgia.

I get a lot when I'm doing Friending Frenzies - actually, I think I'll do one today, it's been a while. Also my "post a picture in comments" posts. And those are deliberate, and they get 300+ comments because people want to meet other people. That's what lots of LJers are interested in.

Which also plays into the comment threads in many of my posts. It's been observed that my journal is almost a community in itself... because it's not just people responding to my comments, it's people responding to other comments, and I sometimes end up with 30+ comment minithreads that sometimes have nothing whatsoever with the post. It's just people talking and, in some cases, just getting to know each other. "You remember that obscure TV show too? Dude! I'm adding you!"

I don't know why. I theorize that this works more for those of us with higher readerships. We naturally get more people commenting to begin with, and then people comment on those comments, because they don't necessarily know the commentor they're replying to...

And I may be completely talking out my ass.

If someone writes something in your journal, it's because they were moved in some way by your writing. Every comment is a tiny act of fandom.
Therefore, it's of all at interest, write back.


Yes. Also because, as wolflady26 pointed out, there are people who are shy about commenting in the journal of what's essentially a total stranger, so it's common courtesy to respond. It is flattering to know that your post made someone think. And it makes people feel welcome.

The "making people feel welcome" is why I post my "welcome to new readers" every morning, btw. People can be intimidated by the size of my list-of-readers, so I feel that it's (again) common courtesy to wave hi and let them know that you know they're there, IMO.

Write about what you're interested in first, and then think about making it comment-worthy.

Absolutely.

If I was primarily concerned with popularity, I wouldn't write about porn, or suicide, or self-responsibility when applied to specific people, because every time I write about that I watch my numbers drop.

Well, yeah. You piss people off. Which, to me, means you're Doing Something Right.

I don't like the perception that this is a popularity contest, which is something that gets thrown at those of us with higher readerships. I don't belong to add-me communities, I don't self-pimp in friends' entries, and I stopped adding people first in January 2003 - there've been about 5 exceptions there, but 99% of the readers I've acquired have added me first.

I'm not trying for higher numbers; I'd be in an "addme" community if I was. Or I'd run around adding all of my friends' friends. Or, hell, I'd add all of my readers back - because a lot of people will drop you if you don't add them back.

It's flattering to be read, and yeah, with you I get competitive. But I don't know why the fuck people read me. And I'm going to post about my favorite soap or Elayna mangling "Lord of the Dance" in the bathtub because that's what's going on in my life.

Wow! Tangent Lass strikes again!

So. My comment theory: I agree about responding to people, about this being a dialogue. And I think that one of the comment-count-raisers is getting people to talk to each other. There you have it. *bows grandiosely*
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From:tevriel
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:31 pm (UTC)
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I don't know why. I theorize that this works more for those of us with higher readerships. We naturally get more people commenting to begin with, and then people comment on those comments, because they don't necessarily know the commentor they're replying to...

And I may be completely talking out my ass.


I don't think so. I'll admit that I'm spamming Ferrett's comments over the last couple of days, and that a big part of that is having been housebound for a couple of weeks and bored rigid. (Sorry, dude.) But there's interesting little discussions happening here, and I think that's part of the appeal.
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From:scarletdemon
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:28 pm (UTC)
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Personally I'm interested in how many different people comment on my entries, not the number of comments...after all, almost half of that number could be me bothering to reply to people.
I agree with everything you have said and I more or less do most of it. Sex sells, honesty sells and variety keeps people interested. I know of one girl who seems to write the same thing over and over (ranting about stupid people). She hardly gets any feedback from her large readership...until she posts another naked pic.
I've also noticed that people like things to be laid out in a straightforward manner.

Can I pimp my top ten tips for MAKING Comments? zoethe liked it. Heehee.
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From:ruckerl2k
Date:March 19th, 2004 10:37 pm (UTC)

That works!

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I like it, too.

"...but not with the bereaved." Tooo much!

Adding you. See, it worked.

No obligation to add me back, because I defy all the rules whereof you (and theferrett) speak.
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From:dubheach
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:29 pm (UTC)

Chorus!

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You are the very model of a modern, major, LJ whore
with commantaries that either love a lot or quite abhor,
but when you throw in G&S you always leave me wanting MORE,
That's why you are the model of a modern, major, LJ whore
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From:theferrett
Date:March 21st, 2004 04:16 am (UTC)

Re: Chorus!

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*applauds*

Hmm. I may have to expand that some day when I have the time.
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From:martinhesselius
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:42 pm (UTC)
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:)
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From:quillismightier
Date:March 19th, 2004 03:58 pm (UTC)

Hmm

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That seriously has me thinking now. I can be quite the comment whore and of course, I think I understand where I've been lacking now. In going through this post and the previous, I find quite a few errors I've been making.

I have to admit, I've been reading your journal for a while now and I rarely (if ever) comment because I'm never quite sure what to say.
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From:scarlete
Date:March 19th, 2004 04:00 pm (UTC)
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I'm very amused.
(;

The less I say, the more other people say for me. You mostly covered that, but it's interesting to post even a one word entry and see what comes of it.

The more upbeat and manic I am, the more comments. That might be because I'm right there answering as well, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that not many people enjoy corresponding with someone in a dark mood.

I play on LJ more than I write anything serious. The one problem I have with my entries is when I write something that only a couple of people on my list are going to get, it's directed toward them, in some odd way. Of course, there's no lacking in comments there, but it probably leaves the rest of the list scratching their heads.

Hi, I'm new. (: Great essays!
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From:crystalrowan
Date:March 19th, 2004 07:49 pm (UTC)
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After reading your comment, I had to go check out your journal and I like!

Hope you don't mind if I add you as a friend. :)
From:allroads
Date:March 19th, 2004 04:00 pm (UTC)
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I'm trying I really am.
But intimidation is getting to me.

Maybe I'll try it.
Maybe post early, think of insightful stuff.
I can't come up with something tht sharp off the top of my head at 6am.

Or if all else fails, would it be ok if I just copied your LJ entries and put them on mine? That'd boost the comments ;)


From:sunyata__
Date:March 19th, 2004 04:25 pm (UTC)
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There really ought not to be intimidation in LJ. It is a public forum and not a contest.

If I were you, I'd turn the intimidation into inspiration. Ferrett's posts inspire me to write better, to write in a way that entertains and gets people to interact. And hell, I sure don't write my first entries at 6 a.m. Usually I write something when I first get into work, maybe around 8:30 or 9.

If you are feeling ready for hardcore constructive criticism, I can email you a detailed analysis of your LJ and give you ideas on how to change it. That doesn't mean it'll be immediately flooded with comments or that your LJ will rival Shadesong's overnight, but it'll improve the overall quality, make you a more confident LJer, and in turn could result in a larger audience. And these things *do* take time to build.
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From:ellenoir
Date:March 19th, 2004 04:01 pm (UTC)
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I seem to have gotten the most responses when I barely posted anything at all. Im not a big LJ whore...YET... but I've noticed that I got 47 responses from two words! And then 62 responses from two sentences. Just from commenters starting flame wars with eachother! *Should this be added to the possibilities? Or do you think that's just bad publicity?

Should I try and seek out friends that I know would hate eachother... just to watch them get into fights in my LJ? It is somewhat entertaining for a while..... *I'm a smartass*
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From:theferrett
Date:March 21st, 2004 04:19 am (UTC)
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I try to get people who'd like each other. As much as I have control over it, anyway. Flame wars drive people away, insofar as I can tell.

I do sometimes play moderator. "That's not fair, dude." I always feel weird when I do.
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From:still_just_me
Date:March 19th, 2004 04:04 pm (UTC)
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LOL



...someone had to do it.
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From:mtrdhunter
Date:October 18th, 2005 07:42 pm (UTC)
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Oh man I totally need some more readers so I'm going to respond to this LOL in someone else's post!
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From:leatherdykeuk
Date:March 19th, 2004 04:05 pm (UTC)
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