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December 8th, 2016
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The Day I Realized My Uncle Hung Around With Gay Guys

My Uncle Tommy did volunteer work in Greenwich Village back in the early 1980s, when I was a teenager. He brought me along to help, which made me feel very grown up; I was eleven, and yet here I was stamping envelopes, doing data entry, working in an office.

I loved my co-workers.

They were all really funny guys, flamboyant, and they treated me like a grownup – which was to say they made jokes I didn’t get, and didn’t footnote. After the volunteering shift we’d all go out to a bar, and they’d sneak me into the corner – very grown up – and they’d drink beers and tell theatrical stories while my uncle gave me a roll of quarters and I played Donkey Kong Junior.

I loved them. They were bold, unashamed of their lisps – which was critical to a kid who’d been to vocal therapy to lower his squeaky voice – and they all dressed super-well.

I did not realize they were probably gay until I was almost thirty. That’s when someone said, “Man, the AIDS epidemic totally destroyed the gays in Greenwich Village,” and I thought, “Man, I hope all of my Uncle’s old buddies from Greenwich Village are okay WAIT WHAT”

I had all the pieces. But nobody had specifically called them gay. And I didn’t think that I was the sort of kid who hung around with gay dudes while I was eleven, so even though I had all these facts – a pretty much all-male volunteer squad in Greenwich Village, the stereotypical gay voice, flamboyance, great dressers all – they never coalesced into “Teenaged Ferrett hung around with gay dudes.”

(I called up my Uncle Tommy to confirm they were gay. They were. My Uncle was not, but he apparently did very well with the few women who volunteered with the organization.)

Yet that’s how life happens sometimes: you can have all the pieces, and not put them together because nobody gave you the word. I’ve had friends who took years to realize their Grampaw wasn’t allowed to be alone with them because he was a pederast. I’ve known folks who didn’t realize their parents were swingers despite copious evidence because it never occurred to them their parents could be swingers.

Sometimes you can be bathed in evidence of a plain fact and not recognize it because you don’t believe you’re the sort of person that fact applies to. I was just an ordinary kid from the suburbs, and at the time “gay people” were this wild minority – I didn’t think of myself as the sort of kid who had wild adventures with Greenwich Village Queens, let alone of myself as the sort of kid who’d idolize them. Likewise, my friends had ordinary childhoods with loving parents and the concept that their mom and dad were those swinger people just didn’t fit the mold.

You can have all these pieces lying about, unassembled. Until someone gives you a name. Until someone tells you that yes, you are that sort of person, you just didn’t think of yourself as that person until now.

So.

Does anyone who had a good upbringing think of themselves as “the sort of person who gets raped”?

I see people confused by delayed accusations: Yes, they were raped, but how could it take them time to recognize what happened to them? And much like my gay buddies as a kid, they had all the evidence but it didn’t seem, somehow, to apply to them. This wasn’t a Hollywood rape where a stranger barged into their house – this was a friend, someone they loved, and maybe they said very nice and kind things before and after the assault. Maybe they still like their rapist, or want to like them.

They had all these pieces of evidence – mainly, the fact that they didn’t want to have sex, and yet someone did things to them against their will – but that doesn’t make sense because they’re not the sort of person who’s a rape victim, and they feel terrible a lot but this hasn’t destroyed every last happiness in their life like everyone tells them it should, and so they know something bad has happened but that word “rape” doesn’t seem to apply because they’re not that sort of person.

Until all the evidences finally click into place and they realize that, sadly, they are.

Which is not to say that every person who gets raped is unaware; some are. The most toxic misunderstanding of rape is that there can be only one “accepted” reaction to it, and anything else indicates that the rape didn’t really take place.

Alas, people have all sorts of different reactions to life-changing trauma; look at any funeral, where some people withdraw into silence, and others need all their friends to party with them, and still others need to vent angrily about the injustice. There’s no singular script to grief, which means there’s no “right” way to do it.

But some rape victims get slammed by people because they should have known what happened right away. “Why didn’t they know?” And the answer is, for those people, that their vision of themselves did not encapsulate the sad concept of “I can get raped,” and as such they had all of these pieces of evidence lying around unassembled, waiting for that one key that would tie them all together.

It could be argued that they should have known. And they probably would have known, if it was someone else this happened to. But some times you’re blind to the events of your life simply because the evidence contradicts who you think you know who you are, and waking up to the person you actually are takes some time.

Especially when that person isn’t someone you ultimately want to identify yourself as.

Cross-posted from Ferrett's Real Blog.

This entry has also been posted at http://theferrett.dreamwidth.org/567420.html. You can comment here, or comment there; makes no never-mind by me.

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From:pen_grunt
Date:December 8th, 2016 03:51 pm (UTC)
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This rings very true, for me. If someone had asked me a few months ago if I had ever been sexually assaulted, I would have answered "No, of course not".

But thinking more about what sexual assault is, myriad examples flooded to my mind...And they kept coming and coming. It was shocking to me how much so many things had happened and I had simply normalized them and never labeled them as sexual assault.

I had never thought about those incidents in that frame before--because they didn't affect my life greatly, I wasn't traumatized by them in the long run, and I wouldn't want to think of myself as a "victim". And, of course, I never pressed charges.

So I can most certainly see how someone could be raped and say "wait, was that really rape" and not believe that they're the person who gets raped.
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From:ravenblack
Date:December 11th, 2016 01:47 am (UTC)
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Also, "people have all sorts of different reactions to life-changing trauma" misses another edge case, that not every rape *is* life-changing trauma.

I had explicitly said no to sexual activity, woke up to sexual activity happening to me, so definitely rape [though it was female-on-male so many jurisdictions might disagree], but it was not life-changing trauma. I didn't report it to anyone because it seems like not a big deal, reporting would be more trouble than it would be worth, etc.

I feel very slightly bad about that, in that maybe it would happen again to someone who *would* be traumatized in a similar situation, but given that it wasn't violent or damaging in any way, and required a specific set of circumstances that could totally reasonably be considered a misunderstanding (the lesson I took from it is "don't share a bed with anyone you don't intend to have sexual relations with"), it seems reasonably unlikely that it would be a recurring issue.
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From:stormdog
Date:December 8th, 2016 04:01 pm (UTC)
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I appreciate you, and others, expressing this kind of thought. I had sexual experiences years ago that were basically non-consensual, and I hadn't really understood that until my current partner asked me whether I'd ever thought about them that way. I hadn't, and once I did some things made a lot of sense. Why I am incapable of asking for what I want or saying no to what I don't want (or even figuring out what those things are), both sexually and in many other circumstances. Why the idea of interacting with one of my long-time friends made me so uncomfortable but unable to articulate or understand why.

I'm pretty sure that nobody involved intended to anything non-consensual. I do think those involved were some combination of thoughtless and uncaring, while I was dependent and un-self-aware. But no matter why it happened, I didn't realize that I'd had sex that was basically non-consensual for many years, and when I did it really broke me for a while. I'm still recovering, and still trying to figure out how to recover.

Edited at 2016-12-08 04:46 pm (UTC)
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From:eccentrific
Date:December 8th, 2016 05:13 pm (UTC)
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I feel this way about mental illness. It took me a very long time to get treatment because while I knew I had certain issues, I could not view myself as someone with a mental illness.
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From:alexmegami
Date:December 9th, 2016 01:51 am (UTC)
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Or, in my case and in the way depression likes to lie, "you have no good *reason* to be depressed..." and so ignore all evidence that in fact, even in absence of such, that's what it really is.

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From:chess
Date:December 8th, 2016 05:46 pm (UTC)
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I had a very good upbringing, but I still think of myself as the kind of person who could get raped; I had thought, until I started reading the comments here, that it was a fundamental part of growing up female that one had so much 'rape awareness', self-defense classes, don't-go-out-after-dark training, exposure to figures of one in X women are sexually assaulted over their lifetime, that whenever one walked down a darkened street alone or accepted a lift or an invitation home from someone (particularly someone male) there was always that underlying thought of 'is this it? is this my rape?'.

I suppose there's a difference in that most of the taught scenarios are the much rarer stranger-rape scenarios, so someone could reasonably be going through life expecting that to happen to them one day, but also not believe that the thing that did happen to them was rape because they didn't _say_ no / he probably hadn't heard them / he apologised afterwards...
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From:dharawal
Date:December 11th, 2016 06:11 am (UTC)
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My parents were swingers in the early to mid 1970s and it took me, someone who happily participated in several triads and an open relationship until i was about my mid 30s to collate all the bloody evidence that was right before my eyes, all the stuff that I saw, all the stories, and it was like one of those titular mini nuclear explosions so beloved of cartoons going off in my head, as bits and pieces all fell together and things that happened after what I assume was a messy ending to the whole thing. I'm like HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS TIL NOW...

Short answer, given what happened, I probably didn't want to.

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