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April 13th, 2013
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Why The Fuck Did You Follow Me On Twitter, Anyway?

I think, before I can blog one word further, I need to discuss the definition of “self-promotion.”

The reason I do this is because Seanan McGuire has been accused in some quarters of “excessive self-promotion,” by which people apparently meant “she mentioned that she had fiction eligible for various nominations.”  Not a whole lot, mind you: twice.

Twice, among a welter of probably seventy lengthy blog posts and literally a thousand silly Twitter statuses.

And then, when I talked with her on Twitter about the irony of seeing her blog post linked everywhere but from her Twitter status, she said, “I know, I just feel …ishy and wrong tweeting everything I say on LJ. I try to do it only on special occasions.”

Which, as someone who followed her on Twitter, struck me as being insane.  I clicked that “Follow Seanan McGuire!” button because I specifically wanted to hear what she had to say. It’s not like Seanan followed me home, broke into my laptop, and signed me up against my will for the Spammin’ McGuire around-the-world newscast – no.  I’d liked reading two of her books, was curious about her as a person, and so I said, “Hello, Seanan, please tell me about yourself.”

Is Seanan telling me what Seanan is doing in the Seanan-specific area of the Internet self-promotion?  I say thee nay.

I call it providing the service people signed up for.

Now, if Seanan was running around forums posting “YOU KNOW WHAT POUNDS THE PISS OUT OF MARTIN’S LATEST DOORSTOP?  MY NEWSFLESH SERIES, AVAILABLE FOR A MERE $3.79 ON KINDLE,” then I’d have a problem.  Or if she was shouting down panels to say, “You know what happens in my book?  Something way better than that Neil Gaiman shit you’re yammerin’ on about!”  But no.  I specifically went to the Seanan McGuire Museum of Fine Filk and paid my entry fee, and by God I expect to see some fucking Seanan McGuire.

Which is how I treat my blog.  I cross-post most of my entries to Twitter because I learned a while back that about 70% of my Twitter and Facebook followers don’t read my journal regularly.  It felt weird, but I came to think, “Well, they followed me on Twitter because they presumably wanted to hear what I was writing about, so… here’s what I’m writing about.”  And people have responded positively.  Traffic’s been up.  I suspect many former blog subscribers actually prefer the Twitter service,  because this way they only get the entries I deem significant.

Is that self-promotion?   I guess, in some sort of saggingly flabby definition of the word.  But my logic is, people asked specifically to tune into the Ferrett Channel.  They did so because they want to hear what I’m doing – which includes my fiction, my blogging, my polyamory, and my personal life.  And maybe after it turns out that they don’t actually like all of that, at which point they can feel free to unsubscribe without one whit of malice from me.  (I’m a depressive.  I hate myself two months out of the year.  Why should you be any different?)

So I’ll say it here: telling the world what you have done is not self-promotion in the world of Twitter.  Or blogs.  It is when you go abroad to other places to tout yourself, or to beg your followers “Please RT” a billion times, or to carve your bibliography into the flesh of willing fans.  But mere informational service?  Fuck that.  People signed up to get a glimpse into your personality.  And maybe if you do Twitter or your blogging wrong, then your personality is nothing but a stream of “HAY GUYS I PUBLISH DIS,” in which case the problem will automatically solve itself as people wander away, in which case you’ll be promoting yourself to an increasingly smaller subset of disappointed people.

But for the rest?  Please, Seanan.  Talk.  It’s why I showed up.

Cross-posted from Ferrett's Real Blog.

This entry has also been posted at http://theferrett.dreamwidth.org/293233.html. You can comment here, or comment there; makes no never-mind by me.

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From:aiela
Date:April 13th, 2013 02:49 pm (UTC)
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The problem, of course, is that if Seanan is getting this kind of shit for what she is doing NOW, imagine what she'd get if she did more? I'd be reluctant too, if I were her.

Is it right? Should it be that way? Of course not. But reality so seldom lines up with what is right or fair, especially for women in a men-dominated field. (Or a field that is less male-dominated, but there's incredible push-back against that, which sometimes I think might be worse.)
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From:theferrett
Date:April 13th, 2013 02:52 pm (UTC)
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And I get that. But I also get that it's a minority opinion fucking shit up for what I perceive as the majority of people who just want to know what Seanan is doing, and I find that loss sad.
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From:aiela
Date:April 13th, 2013 02:54 pm (UTC)
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Oh, it is. And it's a huge hurdle for someone to get over if it's something that bugs them, which obviously it does Seanan. Me, I have taken the opposite approach and just went "Don't like it, go find the unfollow button", but my livelihood doesn't depend on people liking me enough to pay money for my work, either.
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From:theferrett
Date:April 13th, 2013 03:37 pm (UTC)
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I dunno. I think there's an element of "liking enough to pay money for my work" in that I won't pay money if someone passes the Orson Scott Card Point of No Return, but I think the fiction speaks louder than the author on 99 out of 100 occasions.
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From:sylphon
Date:April 13th, 2013 04:13 pm (UTC)
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that's my feeling too. I grew up with the mentality of "Don't let the door hit you on the way out", which seems to apply to her naysayers.
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From:mariadkins
Date:April 14th, 2013 07:36 pm (UTC)
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i do depend on people to pay money to buy my stuff. but i also say loud and clear and often that if people don't like what i write about wherever it gets written (online, book, tattooed on my arms, etc), then they don't have to read it; i'm not forcing anyone to stay inside my own space.

as my mother-in-law says, "don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya."

if people are around only to spew hate and harassment and gods know what all else, then those are people i neither want nor need around, and they're all welcome to gtfo.

then again, my patience for people died a long time ago.
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From:asakiyume
Date:April 13th, 2013 02:50 pm (UTC)
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I feel this way whenever people get very complainy about something that someone is writing in their journals--whatever it is. Basically, I'm always thinking, "If you don't like it, then don't read it!" I feel sorry when people feel inhibited to write freely about whatever they choose in their blogs--even if it's all self-promotion all the time. (ETA: I understand that in the case you're talking about, the person *isn't* doing self promotion all the time--but my point is, even if she were, it's her venue to do with as she wishes.)

Now, if you start following a blog called trainspotter because you love all the train stuff, and somewhere along the line the content begins to change and trainspotter is talking only about their divorce, or has switched to haiku, or gets very political, or whatever, I can see feeling a bit disappointed--after all, you came for the trains, and now it's not trains anymore. But still! It's trainspotter's blog and trainspotter can write what they want. And if readers don't like it, they can go elsewhere.

Edited at 2013-04-13 02:51 pm (UTC)
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From:harvey_rrit
Date:April 13th, 2013 02:51 pm (UTC)
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As far as I can make out, self-promotion consists of telling people what you did directly, rather than waiting for it to be Approved By The Right People.

Mind you, this is just the opinion of someone who was told in high school to Question Authority and was promptly suspended for asking why.
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From:theferrett
Date:April 13th, 2013 03:38 pm (UTC)
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Yeah. It'd be perfectly okay if other authors touted Seanan. But her fans relentlessly retweeting her stuff is low-class.

I suspect this is just cause Seanan is popular in non-traditional ways. I mean, I get some of that. She came up quickly. She beat me - whomped me - for my Campbell year, and produces twenty novels a year. But give the woman her fucking due.
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From:harvey_rrit
Date:April 13th, 2013 06:09 pm (UTC)
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Other authors would be iffy unless vetted by Important Critics.

(It's not an oxymoron; of course they're important. Just ask them. --And be sure to ask them about each other. That makes it Officially Impartial.)
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From:andrewducker
Date:April 13th, 2013 02:53 pm (UTC)
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Yeah. Way back in ye olden days I ran a mailing list specifically for me and a few friends to exchange emails about what we were up to. And I always felt a little odd writing "I went to the shops this morning, and here's a thought I had while I was there..."

But once it's on my journal, where people can choose to read, or not to read? Then I'll write what I damn well want. And if you don't like it, then you can hit the unsubscribe button any time you like.
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From:mariadkins
Date:April 14th, 2013 07:39 pm (UTC)
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my thoughts exactly.
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From:bradhicks
Date:April 13th, 2013 02:58 pm (UTC)
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I have a hypothesis about this, but I'm not sure it fits the data. See if you can't make this, or something like this, make more sense? I don't think people feel like they're being spammed with advertisements for her stuff, because, obviously, they aren't -- I doubt any of them can name a time she sent them a plug for any of her books, her short stories, her albums, or her podcasts. I think the problem is with the list I just mentioned: I think they're feeling like she's over-exposed because she's in so many media at once.

Remember, people are complaining about the fact that the Miles Vorkosigan series is about to win its 5th Hugo? Seanan got nominated for that many Hugos in one year, in as many categories, and three more nominations in two categories this year. Now, I think that that's proof that she's that remarkable and productive. (I also don't think I've ever wanted anything to win a Hugo as much as I wanted Digger to.) But remember that Heinlein himself struggled with this -- it's why he created so many aliases, so that Campbell wouldn't have to turn down stories for fear of running an episode of Astounding where 4 of the 6 stories were by one author. But Heinlein wasn't writing in the Facebook era, so it took longer for people to figure out that he was three (four?) people, and didn't have to show up in person to win Hugos for (for example) an Anson MacDonald short story.

What makes me less confident than I could be is that nobody complained about Silverberg's output, and he used his name for everything. So there's at least one outlier my theory doesn't fit.

But, yeah, basically my theory is this: people see that Seanan McGuire can't so much as burp without the smell of it being nominated for Best Related Work, and they can't think of anybody else who's been nominated so many times in so many categories so many times in a row, and since nobody else has been able to do it they're scrabbling to come up with some more plausible explanation than "she's that good and works that fast."
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From:ccr1138
Date:April 13th, 2013 04:41 pm (UTC)
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The real problem is that any of you should care what the morons think. Promote away.
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From:fallconsmate
Date:April 13th, 2013 05:23 pm (UTC)
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this post gets two thumbs up from me.

i don't happen to twitter, but if i did? i'd follow the people who interest me, so i can see what they're (publicly) thinking about. and by golly, mentioning that someone is up and available to be nomitated for some awards? that's important news to them, and would be something *I* would be excited about were it happening to me!

some people have nothing better to do than to piss and moan about stuff.
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From:fleabear
Date:April 13th, 2013 06:19 pm (UTC)
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I wholeheartedly agree with you. I follow authors because I want to hear about them and what they are doing. I expect them to promote themselves.
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From:greatskeeve
Date:April 13th, 2013 10:40 pm (UTC)
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Now, I'm pretty much the farthest thing from Seanan's biggest fan, but even still I'm pretty much on board with you here. If people actively sign up for her twitter, it's 'cause they want to hear what she wants to say. Presumably that includes the sentiments that are more than 140 characters.
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From:heldc
Date:April 15th, 2013 05:28 am (UTC)
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You know WHY she is (not) self promoting like she is, right? Because she is female, on the internet, and if she dares to mention she's made things, she will get (even more) idiots being idiots at her.

And that's on top all the social bullsit girls get coded at them about how girls aren't supposed to be proud of what they do, or tell people about things they did well.

I mean, I don't actually know this for sure, she didn't like, say so, but I'd bet dollars to donuts.
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From:punzel
Date:April 16th, 2013 04:04 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, gender could be a factor.

From http://nmsuwsprof.tumblr.com/post/47586701535/teachers-are-often-unaware-of-the-gender :
In other public contexts, too, such as seminars and debates, when women and men are deliberately given an equal amount of the highly valued talking time, there is often a perception that they are getting more than their fair share. Dale Spender explains this as follows:

The talkativeness of women has been gauged in comparison not with men but with silence. Women have not been judged on the grounds of whether they talk more than men, but of whether they talk more than silent women.
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