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Pleased To Meet You, Hope You Write Your Name: A Confused Rant On Autographs

As someone who’s starting to get requests for autographs, I have to admit they puzzle me.  I’m not sure what an autograph is supposed to represent.

I mean, let me tell you that I have the entire Sandman trade paperback series scattered throughout my basement, a series I quite enjoyed.  I was also lucky enough to spend a week in Neil Gaiman’s company at Clarion.  And my friends routinely ask: “Why in God’s name didn’t you have him sign your books?”

I didn’t see a point.  Either I know Neil enough well enough to have him wave “hullo” to me at conventions, or I don’t.  If I know him that well, the signature is superfluous.  And if I don’t, well…

…there’s another author who I also spent a week learning from.  When the workshop was over, so was our relationship.  I’ve seen him/her at conventions at least six times since then, and despite a happy wave s/he has never acknowledged me once.  The single time I attempted to start up a conversation with him/her made it painfully obvious that s/he had bigger fish to fry than me.  Which is fine!  Not every teacher/student relationship needs to end in a happy acquaintanceship.  I paid my money, and got my value; series ended.

But I could have had his/her signature on a book, too.  It would have been a cold, sad thing, a timestamp to say, “We interacted here.”  Yet if that person doesn’t want to interact with me now, then what does that signature prove?  A mere co-location in time and space, coupled with a societal obligation to scrawl their name on a page.  That’s really not that much.

Yet despite the difference in our post-workshop interactions, both Neil and Unnamed Author would be a signature in a book.  And if the autograph is that useless in measuring how I know them, why have it?

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve asked for autographs myself, mostly as an excuse to make feeble conversation with someone I admired.  That’s something I understand, that need to have some reason to approach your Big Damn Writing Hero.  And it’s certainly a thrill to have a memory that you met someone whose writing helped to shape who you are.  Here’s the evidence that you had thirty seconds in the presence of your hero!  Wonderful.  What a way to stimulate fond reminiscences.  Because good authors will not just sign your books – they’ll look you in the eyes, ask a question, establish a brief connection so that for a moment, you feel like they were aware of your presence and let you take that home with the book and their name in it.

The autographs themselves, however, are just this weird dross.  An afterthought.  I’m always puzzled by people who show off their autographed books proudly, as if the signature was worthwhile in and of itself.  And there are autograph-hounds who patrol conventions, looking to get signature after signature, just plopping the book down in front of you as though this was some onerous task they have to get through.  “Just sign there, don’t make it out to anyone,” they say, thumbing to the right place, valuing your scribbled name over the potential time of interacting with you, then half-turning away before you’re even done.

I don’t get it.  I’m not bashing it – hey, if it makes you happy, it’s two seconds of my time, I can do it all day.  I just don’t get the idea that a signature is worthy in and of itself.  I’m the sort of person who’s of the opinion that an autograph isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on – what matters is the moments you have with people, commemorative or not.

Thinking the ink is more important than the smile just strikes me as being very, very odd.

Cross-posted from Ferrett's Real Blog.

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From:andrewducker
Date:May 22nd, 2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
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It's a memoriam. A thing to look at and say "Look! I met William Shatner! Eeeee!" or to think "Gosh, I remember when I met William Shatner, that was a great day."

If you're not the kind of person who squees over meeting celebrities then it's not going to mean a lot to you :->
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From:theferrett
Date:May 22nd, 2012 02:48 pm (UTC)
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Except, as I noted, there are people who run around humorlessly and just collect autographs without even interacting with you. So that theory doesn't pan out.
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From:xiphias
Date:May 22nd, 2012 02:46 pm (UTC)
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It's a mark of connection among the author, the work, and you. It shows that you both have a connection to it.
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From:samcallahan
Date:May 22nd, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
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I'm a fan of autographs on CD's from artists after a show. It has a bigger emotional connection, because they shared the 1-3 hours of the set itself with you, and you provided your energy, and bought their CD (usually cutting out some middlemen).

I've had my books signed by one of my favorite authors once. I don't regret it, but it was a somewhat disappointing experience.
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From:woodwindy
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:24 pm (UTC)
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Likewise re. the signed CDs! We just recently hosted an amazing artist for a house concert, and I was thrilled to get her personalized inscription on one of her CDs as a memento of the experience. That one's extra-special, but in general when I've really enjoyed a concert, later on it makes me smile whenever I see the autographed CD.
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From:19_crows
Date:May 22nd, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
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I feel the same way. I also have no interest in buying signed books vs. unsigned. A friend who used to own a bookstore suggests that the idea that the author actually touched the book adds value for some people.
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From:jeffpalmatier
Date:May 22nd, 2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I was thinking the other day how I'd love to have a book autographed by F. Scott Fitzgerald because that he had actually touched it.
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From:ariaflame
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:00 pm (UTC)
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At least one of my signed books means something to me, because it was one of two books that probably would not have been written without a kind of crowdsourcing before crowdsourcing was in. I was too late to get in on the first one, but the second? I was in. Because I loved the series and I enjoyed pretty much all they'd written so far. And one of the things, apart from a chapter every time they made their target, that was promised was a signed copy if it reached a target. Whether or not it got an actual publishing deal. (Which it did) So there my signed copy is an indication of 'I helped make this possible'

But while I did have some other books signed by the author, partly so I could meet them and partly it was what you did, I don't go out of my way to do so.
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From:jcbemis
Date:May 22nd, 2012 06:41 pm (UTC)
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Fledgling by Lee/Miller?
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From:gwyndolin
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:05 pm (UTC)
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As a counter example, sometimes the act of collecting autographs can build a relationship.

When my family went through our big Magic phase (as opposed to the now low-key state of "oh, let's get the cards out and play at Christmas"), my father would mail cards five at a time off to the artists and ask for their signatures. They were all incredibly polite and he got the cards back signed, sometimes with little notes. Periodically, as a thank-you, he would send them bottles of barbecue sauce (Show-Me BBQ sauce, locally made. Good stuff.)

When we'd run into those artists at cons, they'd remember him. They'd talk with him. Some of them he developed real friendships with. It wasn't all because he had that hook to start with, but that helped.

I'm more on your side. I have a shelf full of books by authors with whom I am close friends, but they aren't signed. But I think it's different when you're actually part of the community. For others, I think it gives them a touchstone--a point of connection.

And, yeah, there's the collection aspect to it. People just like to collect things. It's a fun game. A scavenger hunt.

Barbara
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From:aiela
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:27 pm (UTC)
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It's funny, because my husband's rule is that he ONLY gets autographs from authors he knows. ;)
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From:oneminutemonkey
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:19 pm (UTC)
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I'm an autograph collector. Because no matter how many stories I sell, anthologies I edit, or books I review, I'm still a hopeless fanboy at heart and I love adding authors to my big old bookcases o' signage. For some authors, it's a chance to catch up with people I've seen off and on for many years. For others, it's a chance to meet new and interesting writers face to face. Usually, it's an opportunity to exchange a few words and chat, because I remain one socially awkward, hapless mess of a person and such pretexts make it easier to interact with people I respect/admire/envy/fear. :)

Nothing's quite as fun as plunking down an ARC and having the author oooo and aaaah over it and then I can explain why I have this rare and strange treasure. Especially if I reviewed it. And y'know what? I always have them personalize it to me if possible. Because it's my collection and when I go to the great litterbox in the sky it can become part of my legacy. :)

I had several fun experiences at the Nebs this year. Franny Billingsley was an absolute delight to meet, and I'd have loved to hang out with her in a slightly less chaotic environment for ages. Myke Cole was awesome and enthusiastic and a gentleman. Diana Peterfruend was terribly amused to see I had "the porn cover" ARC of her killer unicorn YA, and made me show it to others nearby. And then there was Joe Haldeman, who stayed just long enough to sign his name, and then he fled the room, his duty done. (It was weird, there were a few authors signing to seemed to be there out of duty, not joy, and as much as I'd have liked to chat with them, I didn't dare bother them.)

In the end, my autograph collecting remains a thing of joy, and a tangible measure of where I've been and who I've met and how far I've come. Or something. I still give myself half points for having a signed copy of American Gods that I picked up in a dealer's room, because I once met Neil face to face at a previous Nebs (he showed up unexpectedly, as seems to be his wont).

After Scheherazade's Facade comes out, my goal may be to get a copy signed by as many contributors as I can, as the ultimate icing on the cake. :)
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From:kilbia
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:20 pm (UTC)
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At some point after I moved to Texas, I decided that I wasn't going to collect autographs anymore. Instead, I was going to collect hugs, if the person I was asking for one was okay with it.

It's for a similar reason to yours, I think - the big deal is the interaction you had with the person you admire. I can see how some might look at it as a memento or a souvenir, but the way I see it, if at some point I can no longer remember that I have hugged Martin Yan or Dr. Oz or Matt Nathanson or all six of the 2009 King's Singers, I don't deserve to have a reminder.

What's interesting is that sometimes I will straight-up tell the person "Look, I could care less about an autograph, what I really want is a hug", and they'll insist on giving me both. I suspect it's because those particular cases were times when the only avenue for that kind of contact was a formal autograph line, you had to have something of theirs to be autographed to even be in the line, that sort of thing.

And for the record, Peter S. Beagle gives great hugs. I'm very sad he won't be at A-Kon this year.
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From:daphne24
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:22 pm (UTC)
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I can relate to a lot of this - I have autographs from visits to Broadway because I happened to see some pretty big stars who I love a lot. I have no illusions of seeing them again and they often come out specifically to sign autographs after the shows. Sometimes I got real face time (Liev Schreiber) and sometimes I didn't (Tim Curry). But as you say, the autographs mostly serve as catalysts for the memory of having seen and met these people.

On the other hand, I am privileged to be acquaintances and/or friends with people who also sign autographs regularly. One is a Broadway singer (mostly small character work) and I have a picture of him kissing my cheek that I treasure. He remembers me every time I catch him at a show in town. The person who took that picture was insistent that I get him to sign it. I declined as it did indeed seem superfluous.

The other is a good author friend - I have a couple of autographs from her. One was a well-meaning gift and yet, it seemed odd to have her signature when she has meant so much to me personally. The other signature was one I asked for - the book is a collection of short stories and one of them is specifically about me. Years after the incident that inspired the story, I wanted to see what she had to say. But my experiences with her mean far, far more than any bit of handwriting from her. I have more fun watching other people rush for her autograph at cons and such :)
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From:docbrite
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:32 pm (UTC)
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Because good authors will not just sign your books – they’ll look you in the eyes, ask a question, establish a brief connection so that for a moment, you feel like they were aware of your presence and let you take that home with the book and their name in it.

Good authors who have social skills (like Neil) will do this. The rest of us will feel as awkward as the person getting their book signed, and hope not to make too bad of an impression. Which is one reason I don't do signings anymore.
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From:nounsandverbs
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:43 pm (UTC)
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My wife feels the same way about autographs that you do, only more so. Her description of the autograph process: "Hi! You are a much cooler person than I am, in every conceivable way. Could you put that in writing?"
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From:docbrite
Date:May 22nd, 2012 03:56 pm (UTC)
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Because good authors will not just sign your books – they’ll look you in the eyes, ask a question, establish a brief connection so that for a moment, you feel like they were aware of your presence and let you take that home with the book and their name in it.

Good authors who have social skills (like Neil) will do this. The rest of us will feel as awkward as the person getting their book signed, and hope not to make too bad of an impression. Which is one reason I don't do signings anymore.
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From:roniliquidity
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:03 pm (UTC)
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This reminds me that I should maybe try and do something with a print of a Joss Whedon themed HoTs strip signed by Joss Whedon. I got it signed for a friend who had given my ex and I her tickets to see Joss Whedon when she was too ill to go. She was a HotS fan, who became a IRL friend, so I wanted to get her the signature she passed on, but on something she liked from me.

However I didn't see her between then, and when my husband moved in with her and her husband 2 weeks later so she dropped all contact with me completely.

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From:zoethe
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:51 pm (UTC)
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That is one autographed piece of memorabilia that I would love to have! That's awesome.
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From:yunikoneko
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:13 pm (UTC)
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I've never cared about the autograph as an object so much as the interaction at the moment of acquisition. However, I do like artist's autographs as an object, since more often than not, they will doodle in my book. I find that charming.

Tangentially, I'm reminded of this:
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From:naath
Date:May 23rd, 2012 08:49 am (UTC)
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GNeil doodled a picture of Dream in my copy of Endless Nights; it is very nice.

If you get Good Omens signed you get a joke (but you have to get them both, or you only get half a joke).
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From:dornbeast
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:23 pm (UTC)
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I don't care about autographs either. I have one book that I couldn't find anywhere, and wanted to own, and finally purchased when the author was at a book signing. I didn't care about the autograph, just the book - but she insisted on signing, so I have a copy of Dreamsnake made out to "whatsisname."

And as long as you can sign books, and make people happy, that's great. Hopefully, you can talk to the people who seem to be in it just for the signature, and they'll remember you as more than just a name scribbled in a book.
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From:jcfiala
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:29 pm (UTC)
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Well, drinking confuses me, but apparently people use that for social lubricant... or some people just drink to drink, I guess?

Autographs are a sort of social lubricant. The writer has set aside time to be approached by total strangers for a few moments to talk about their work one on one.
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From:cameoflage
Date:May 22nd, 2012 11:58 pm (UTC)
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I can see the point of alcohol-as-social-lubricant, in a chemical sense as well as a ritual sense. I'm a bit shy and awkward with strangers and acquaintances, so it's useful to have ready access to a substance that will lessen my inhibitions.
From:serakit
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
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I didn't figure out the human connection was what was important to me until after-- because I'm so shy with strangers in general, and so completely overawed by writers, that I never actually *say* anything. I have a necklace that Brian Jacques said was pretty when he signed my books, but I don't think I actually *said* anything to him, just stared because here I was meeting this awesome writer... and he's very personable, too. So I probably come off like I'm only after the ink just because I can't talk to them, they're famous...

The one exception to the overawed-ness is K.T. Pinto, and part of that is just that she's not yet famous enough to have people mobbing her everywhere she goes so I feel like I *can* go all fangirl at her because the entire con isn't doing it. (Which is too bad; she's an awesome writer.)
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From:snippy
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
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The purpose of memorabilia is to remind us. What it reminds us of is up to us.
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From:roadnotes
Date:May 22nd, 2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
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I tend to ask people to sign my journal, rather than a book, as a reminder that we shared the same space on a given day. I do have autographed books (particularly if there was a group reading from an anthology, and i could get multiple signatures), but overall... I like autographs, but don't pursue them.
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From:naamah_darling
Date:May 22nd, 2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
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The signed journal idea is really, really cool. I like that a lot.
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From:bart_calendar
Date:May 22nd, 2012 05:00 pm (UTC)
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It's just nice to collect things. Some people collect stamps. I collect books autographed by Stephen King, Brett Easton Ellis and James Ellroy.

I don't see it as being any different.

Opening up my signed first edition of The Stand makes me happy.

Opening up my first edition of Blood's a Rover with Ellroy writing "Bart, stop writing porno!" before he signed it makes me smile.

Most of the stuff we buy in life is disposable. It's nice to have some things that will travel with me wherever I go and can't be easily replaced.

It's like a photograph. Rome Girl as no interest in autographs but she liked taking picture of Brett when she and my dad met him and she liked taking pictures of Ellroy when she and I met him. She saves those pictures on her computer the way I save my signed copies on my book shelf and we probably both get equal pleasure from them for the same reason.
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From:naamah_darling
Date:May 22nd, 2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
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Rationally, I completely agree with you. You are totally right. But I do get my books and music and such autographed when I can. I don't know. It's a talismanic thing, almost, for me. Books are magic, music is magic, names are magic, handwriting and ink are powerful things. I hand the book over, they sign it with their name and write mine down, they renew the magic and explicitly connect it to me. It has almost the same feel in my head as closing a ritual circle. It's a way of bringing things around, author to book to reader to author to book. . . . The physical artifact becomes mine, and I become a part of it, as it has already become a part of me. I am a big fan of physical artifacts, which probably has something to do with it.

Plus, I know some pretty neat people, who write some pretty wonderful things in my books, and that's nice to look at when I am feeling down. :)

None of it is as good as the moments you spend with those people, though.
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From:anderyn
Date:May 22nd, 2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
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I do have signed books, which I adore, because sometimes they are good reminders of having met the author and interacted with him, and sometimes they're just because it was worth standing in that line for hours to say "thank you" to Ray Bradbury, because when else would I meet the man? (This was at a long-ago Borders signing, and I wasn't going to cons then.) I cherish some of the books and some are just... there. It really depends on how I interacted with the writer.

Now, music -- signed CDs are something I adore, particularly after a concert. I just love having them, and knowing I got to tell the artist how much I love his/her performance. It makes me happy. Of course, I cherish them as proof and memorabilia that I got to see that artist in person.
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From:earthdotprime
Date:May 22nd, 2012 05:45 pm (UTC)
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My dad is a baseball fanatic, and collects autographs on baseballs from his favourite players, ideally on foul balls etc that they've actually hit. (He has a Babe Ruth signed ball that is the pride of his collection.)

Eventually, since we have a whole wall full of these baseballs, it became pretty silly to have anyone sign anything else, when it's just so much easier to put everything on the baseball wall. So he started having everyone ELSE he admires signing baseballs. Nixon. Reagan. My grandmother.

And since I am completely my father's daughter, and we already have all these baseballs, I started doing the same thing. Of course, my interests don't really swing towards sports. So I have baseballs signed by all of Cannibal Corpse. GWAR. Bill Willingham.

Everyone I've asked for an autograph is initially confused, but ultimately floored - signing a baseball is so iconic, something that none of these people have ever had a chance to do. (also? signing on the curve of the ball? it's HARD!) Honestly, i think it has brightened their day as much as it's brightened mine. (Bill Willingham just couldn't stop exclaiming that he'd just signed a baseball. A BASEBALL! It was so cute.) Plus, it gives dad and I chance to trade stories about our autographs, and gives him a better context and appreciation of all the weird things that I love. Which is pretty awesome.
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From:daphne24
Date:May 22nd, 2012 05:57 pm (UTC)
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My dad and I love baseball and one year I took him to a game for Father's Day because you could go out and play catch on the field afterwards. We did and he signed a ball to me - made me cry.
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From:misquoted
Date:May 22nd, 2012 06:01 pm (UTC)
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I've gotten a few autographs in my lifetime. Two off the top of my head were from Dar Williams and Catie Curtis, and it was worth waiting in line just to have those few moments to chit-chat.

I've met the speaker/author Alfie Kohn five times (I'm a fangirl and I attend his presentations whenever he's in the area), and have at least one autographed book. What I like about him (well, don't get me started, but...) is that he will give you a fair amount of time when you are having a book signed, and he'll answer a question or two...and generally the people waiting around you are interested in what you are asking, too, and vice versa. So it's sort of an extention of his presentation/Q&A session, which is nice.
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From:grenacia
Date:May 22nd, 2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
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I don't care about the autograph, it's just a convenient excuse to spend a brief moment talking to the person. Though one author has drawn little spontaneous doodles in her books related to the books, and if I get to meet her again I want to bring more of her books (and yes, I have more!) to see what she draws in them.
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