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March 2nd, 2012

09:32 am

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Stories Of PayPal Dickery And Wondrous Women

The always-relevant Naamah_darling would like you to know how PayPal is censoring erotic publishing with some new and rather poorly-written moral guidelines. She makes some rather salient observations about how simple “we can all agree on this” changes cascade in ugly ways – and given that PayPal is now, de facto, the global currency, if PayPal won’t accept your payments, you’re not getting them. So stories of PayPal dickery need to be broadcast far and wide, and the more y’all can Tweet, Facebook, and otherwise link to Naamah, the better.

In other news, the magnificent poet Rose Lemberg needs some help getting to WisCon. Rose is a wonderful person who would liven up any right-thinking convention, and she’s taking bids on six artist’s books of The Book Of Shapechangers. Her stuff’s fun to read, and I trust in her artistic sensibilities, and I want her to attend WisCon, so why wouldn’t I link?

Cross-posted from Ferrett's Real Blog.

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From:	bart_calendar
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 02:36 pm (UTC)

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PayPal really, really hits on their own random set of morals hard.

One of my clients runs a dating site for gay men who aren't into condoms and they told him that was obscene and closed his account down. Yet they have no problem accepting payments for one of his other sites where men can leave reviews and star ratings of male prostitutes.

So, yeah, paying for random gay sex - not obscene as far as PayPal is concerned, but trying to date someone of the same sex is obscene if it doesn't conform to the way society wants gay men to date.

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From:	bart_calendar
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 02:42 pm (UTC)

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So, their new policy is that they won't accept any payments from sites that sell books that contain sexualized incest.

Yet, a quick Google search shows that you can easily buy the complete Flowers In The Attic set on eBay and pay with PayPal.

Oh, and wait, you can also buy A Song Of Ice And Fire on eBay and pay with PayPal.

So, what they really mean is that you can't buy books that sexualize incest - unless those books are really popular make make money for their parent company eBay.

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From:	mariadkins
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 05:08 pm (UTC)

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yeah that's what i got out of it too

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From:	naamah_darling
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 02:45 pm (UTC)

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Thank you for the bump! I am reeeeeeeeally hoping that they grow a clue. I mean, it's not like porn is a tremendously lucrative business or anything. *eyeroll*

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From:	bart_calendar
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 02:54 pm (UTC)

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It's also a business that PayPal is perfect for.

A dude isn't going to want to use his credit card to buy "Anal Asses 3" because it might piss his wife off when she sees the statement. But, he probably would be willing to use his paypal account because it puts a degree of separation between the bank charge and the purchase.

What's particularly amusing is that PayPal is more than happy to process payments for Ashley Madison.

So, stuff to jerk off to when your wife is away - not moral. Finding someone to actually fuck while your wife is away - morally fine as far as PayPal is concerned.

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From:	miintikwa
Date:	March 3rd, 2012 01:17 am (UTC)

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Thank you for speaking up about it. I hadn't a clue.

Also? Are you looking for alternatives? Because I recently found Dwolla, and maybe if people start using other sources, Paypal will get a clue.

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From:	bart_calendar
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 03:01 pm (UTC)

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Oh and as far as their no BDSM policy.

You can use PayPal to buy The Anne Rice Sleeping Beauty Trilogy.

You can also use PayPal to buy tons of Gor books.

And it's not like they don't know what those things are - just look at the image attached to Witness of Gor.

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From:	argonel
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 03:31 pm (UTC)

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I think this is mostly PayPal being horrible at communication. What they said was pointed is bad mmmkay. And what they meant to say is point causes chargebacks and chargebacks are bad mmmkay. Also chargebacks force us to do things and have customer service which hurts profits.

For what it is worth fuck PayPal in the ear. I only use them when someone uses them as the only way to give them money. In that case they act as a payment processor, I don't have a PayPal account.

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From:	andrewducker
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 04:46 pm (UTC)

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This is also why Dreamwidth don't take Paypal - they were told that they didn't comply with the obscenity parts of the TOS, and Dreamwidth refused to censor their users.

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From:	denyer
Date:	March 2nd, 2012 07:13 pm (UTC)

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The impression I get is that most porn producers avoid PP -- and those operating in countries with more censorship may even set up their own processing companies. eg, BeautifulAgony/IFeelMyself/AbbyWinters were put under pressure in Australia and have since also moved to Europe.

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