The Watchtower of Destruction: The Ferrett's Journal - How To Become An Unfriendly, Festering Cesspool
August 8th, 2011
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How To Become An Unfriendly, Festering Cesspool

You’d think that most comics shops are opened for the purpose of selling comics.  You would be wrong. Most comics shops are opened for this reason:

“Hey, you know what’d be cool?  I could open a comics shop and hang out with all my friends!  And we’d read comics all day, and make mad cash!”

This is also why most comics shops fail miserably. They’re not business enterprises, but rather a feeble attempt to start a cult of personality.  Yet that attempt to create what is, essentially, a funded safe haven for one guy and his band of friends is an abject lesson in how to create an inbred, hostile, and yet somehow successful environment.

Because the truth about any of these comics stores is that while they’re radically dysfunctional to the outside world – take the offensively sexist and racist public discourse of Larry’s Comics – there’s a core of people at the inside who are continually insisting that people “just don’t get it.”  What don’t you get?  They’re good people at heart!  If they say something that comes off as insulting, well, you’re either a humorless jerk or you just don’t get who they really are. They’re doing good things.

So how do we get to the point where you have a small group of people on the inside, insulated from a reality that should by all rights be banging on their doors loud enough to wake anybody up?  It’s a process, and it can be applied to places far and wide beyond the mere comics shop.

(Which is not to say that the comics shop is automatically a bad place to shop – there are wondrous proofs that comics can be sold professionally and with great knowledge.  I’ll vouch for Carol and John’s Comic Shop and Modern Myths as wonderful, inclusive comics shops anyone can shop at.)

The first step in creating an unfriendly haven is to create a safe space.  Safe spaces are often good things – but they’re also a place where, devoid of any real dissenting opinion, you can all quietly come to a consensus on any damn fool opinion you want to.  As such, find an area where you and your friends are enough of a critical mass that anyone who comes in from the outside will be sufficiently outnumbered that they cannot speak up comfortably.

That “comfortably” is the real trick.  If you create a walled-off area where no new members join your little posse, it will become immediately evident that you’re isolated. No, you want a place where anyone can walk in, but if they disagree with you you can shout them down and win the argument by sheer exhaustion.  This can be in a physical place, where merely having two people arguing with you gets quickly overwhelming to most people – or it can be an online forum, where the people who have the time to argue with you have a lot of spare time and a willingness to call all their friends in to say, “Hey!  Look at this dork and his dumb opinions!”

What will happen is that you’ll have the illusion of a free space, where anyone can play – because, after all, anyone can walk in through that door! – but is effectively a gated community where any dissension from the core philosophy you’ve created leads to people feeling alienated, mocked, and dismissed.

(It also helps if you can come up with short-hand methods to dismiss people who disagree with you – it’s particularly good if you can come up with a nickname for each kind of unwanted behavior.  People who express concern about the practically nude pictures of women hanging on your wall?  Slot all of those concerns into a “tightass” name and shove them off to the side, no matter what the varied reasons for their concern are.  Balling them into a group is a wonderful shorthand way of saying, “They’re beyond the reach of reason, so we’re not obligated to interact with them any more.”  Bonus points if you can start reciting their own arguments to them before they even make them.)

The next step is to provide rewards for those who believe.  In-jokes are the constant currency of unfriendly havens, serving two purposes: first off, they’re alienating to outsiders, allowing you to laugh (often at their expense) while leaving them in the dark.  But more than that, in-jokes are a reward to those who have the stamina to stay with your group; they’re like little puzzles to be solved.  When they can make the in-joke properly and get a response, that’s the day they know they’ve become a member.  Better yet, creating in-jokes provides a bonding between members!

Like safe zones and comics shops in general, in-jokes are not automatically bad – but when you start using them in a way that makes people feel dumb for not getting them, then you’re successfully walling off the world.

The next step is rather blatant, and you’d think it would be hard to do – but humanity’s wired in a such a way that it’s the easiest trick in the world to pull off.  The trick is this:

Now that you’ve marginalized anyone who disagrees with you, start convincing people that this is the way the world works.

What you are doing here is not simply a group of isolated folks who’ve created their own splinter culture, but the way everyone secretly acts in private.  If they weren’t constrained by society – damn society! – this is what people would really feel, if they could only express such desires. At this point, you must all come to the tacit understanding that you have not created an artificial culture, but instead you have uncovered the true way that humanity acts.  This is freeing.  This is noble. This is honesty.

The people who disagree with you undertake a miraculous transformation: they’re no longer folks who have differing opinions on how to enact the same basic goodness that you believe in.  They are now people who are trying to suppress a righteous lifestyle.  They are trying to kill an open society because they are jealous of what you have.

Furthermore, because the people at the heart of this society are friendly, and infinitely caring to those in the circle, and are now (thanks to the reframing of this group’s efforts) trying to reclaim mankind from its flaws, they become Good People.  Good People are continually misunderstood.  If they offend someone, well, they didn’t mean to.  If they make a statement that is at its core deeply troubling, well, you don’t get their sense of humor!  They’re satirists!

And if the people on the outside refuse to believe that the people on the inside are good-hearted (or worse, say that their intentions don’t matter), well… the people on the outside are trying to tear down this whole society.  And as we all know, humans always react rationally and responsibly when they think someone’s attacking the society they live in.

It sounds stupid to think that this kind of hubris could be applied to a bunch of sexist comics shop owners… But a lot of the people who show up to these shops have been marginalized by the outside world.  They’ve been kicked about for so long that finding a place that welcomes them for who they are – or, at least, who they’re willing to be if they make a few changes – is an incredibly empowering experience. Going from “unwwashed nerd” to “vital member of this society” is something so strong that a lot of people will overlook all the other sins just to chase this flavor.

And because they came in from the outside world and were accepted after a little massaging of their opinions, they will insist to the heavens that this unfriendly haven is an open place where anyone can come in and sit down.  God help me, they genuinely believe it’s inclusive.  If you just have the right attitudes and a good sense of humor, of course.

This is how it happens.  This is the structure.

I could probably get a lot of nice comments if I ended this right now.  But here’s where I say something that’s uncomfortable:

You see this enclavish behavior in a hell of a lot of liberal circles as well.

A group of people get together who’ve felt marginalized by society, and they find an online forum, and they get together to form an inclusive, wonderful society where everyone can get along… Except that soon enough, they’ve got the numbers to effectively alienate anyone who doesn’t go along with the groupthink, and they utterly don’t see how insulting they often come off to outsiders, and they get so into believing in the equality and freedom and love that they have espoused here that they actually seem to forget that they have to make an argument to the outside world.

Within the group, [rights for group X] become such a given that anyone who asks why group X needs those rights is met with such a flurry of disdain and anger that they walk away, feeling insulted and chastised. Some significant percentage of folks with questions get labelled as “anti-X” when actually they’re just confused about the reason for a need, or insufficiently educated, or even on the fence about something, potentially able to be a convert  – and now they feel dismissed and insulted on top of it.

Unlike the comics shop owners, they have good intentions.  But they too get sucked into the vortex of making a place that feels good to them, at the expense of outsiders.  (And, one suspects, a lot of them would argue – just as the bad comics shops would argue – that they don’t need the people outside, they’re irrational jerks who can’t be talked to.)

The point is that to those within the circle, the comics shop feels genuinely welcoming and inviting – and they genuinely cannot see how off-putting they are to others.  And that’s not a comics shop urge – this is a human urge that even the best-intentioned fall into on a regular basis. But it saddens me when people with agendas I largely agree with become insular enclaves, because I genuinely think that part of any fight for the good fight has to involve outreach, not withdrawal.

How do you combat that?  Genuine inclusivity.  Having a couple of people who anger you on a regular basis to keep you honest – if all you hear are nice voices, angrily decrying stuff that other people on the outside are doing, you’re probably doing it wrong.  And listening to what each individual has to say as an individual, not as some stamped group of tightasses or X-ists or whatever disdainful group you try to slot them into.  And being willing, when called on the carpet by someone not inside the group, to take a look at what you’ve done and to see whether, in fact, your actions are really as meritous as you think.

Good comics shops run smoothly.  But they’re also not nearly as comfortable to live in as the unfriendly haven – you have to listen to complaints with a straight face, smile sometimes when you feel like slapping people, and go out of your way to address concerns that you may sometimes find ridiculous.  This isn’t to say that you take every complaint at the same value – but you listen to them and weigh them on an individual basis.

That’s how you keep the doors open, man.

Cross-posted from Ferrett's Real Blog.

This entry has also been posted at http://theferrett.dreamwidth.org/136848.html. You can comment here, or comment there; makes no never-mind by me.

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From:bart_calendar
Date:August 8th, 2011 02:24 pm (UTC)
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The moderators of SF_Drama should be forced to read this post.
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From:lots42
Date:August 8th, 2011 08:06 pm (UTC)
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You, I like.
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From:gwendally
Date:August 8th, 2011 02:29 pm (UTC)
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Does this mean I can comment on your journal again?
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From:stormgren
Date:August 8th, 2011 02:55 pm (UTC)
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See also: cults, extremist groups, the open source community, and hackerdom.

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From:shadeofnight
Date:August 8th, 2011 03:19 pm (UTC)
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Perfectly Said :)
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From:asim
Date:August 8th, 2011 03:25 pm (UTC)
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I genuinely think that part of any fight for the good fight has to involve outreach, not withdrawal.
You can think that, sure. And please note that what I say below is based on Social Justice groups, not the wider and somewhat more political array of Liberal groups, although there's obvious overlap.

Yet that's not how change actually starts. The example I like to give is MLK, and his experiences belie your point. He, too, at the beginning was very open; anyone who wanted to ally, he accepted. He did lots of outreach...and then he found the limits, thereof.

I've quoted MLK's words about the White Moderate so many times on my journal and elsewhere, I hope the assembled forgive me not doing so again. I'll just point to King's LETTER FROM A BIRMINGHAM JAIL, where you can read it yourself, starting at Paragraph 19 of the document. But I also do want to quote from the beginning of it, because it's MLK speaking directly about this sort of thing:

Seldom do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas. If I sought to answer all the criticisms that cross my desk, my secretaries would have little time for anything other than such correspondence in the course of the day, and I would have no time for constructive work.


It's damn easy to say "well, you should be nicer to people outside your group." I've wrestled with the appropriate levels, myself. Yet having been in these groups, and watched how "being nice" rolls? You're wrong. So very, very wrong, to lay this criticism down.

King, along with dozens of Civil Rights leaders, could have spent all day and night doing nothing but "being nice" -- answering criticism, critiques, educating, fixing people's perceptions of their movements. And he's right, and I've seen and dealt with it myself; you do that, and you'll have no energy, no time, no effort left, for doing another damned thing. And Social Justice isn't politics, exactly, although it can and should have such a component. But the job isn't always to "be nice", it is oftentimes to "be real". And expressing your reality, right or wrong, brings criticism -- and the challenge, then, is filtering it, NOT answering it all, dammit. Or, yes, even every "nice one".
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From:theferrett
Date:August 8th, 2011 03:31 pm (UTC)
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You're wrong. So very, very wrong, to lay this criticism down.

I may be. There is a balance to be laid between "being nice" and "being effective." I'm excruciatingly aware of that letter.

That said, I think that we're both in agreement in that King was a genius largely because he did hit that balance perfectly, writing polemics and speeches that attempted to explain and educate. He didn't write individually, but he did speak globally, which is what I think part of the struggle is.

And I think that if King had been less willing to be nice on many occasions, as he did, then a lot of what he would have done would have collapsed. He could have spent, as I see a lot of groups doing, his days so wrapped up inside his own movement that he forgot to deal with the larger realisms of economics and racial tensions in his world, losing himself in the fantasy of "This is where we've made heaven" and losing sight of his goals. He didn't. That's why I've read a couple of MLK bios and I laud him for striking what is a very tough balance.

Because there is a balance. And I believe, simultaneously. that it is both possible to be too nice and too nasty.
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From:greybeta
Date:August 8th, 2011 03:29 pm (UTC)
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Of course, this also applies to churches.
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From:mariadkins
Date:August 8th, 2011 05:00 pm (UTC)
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it applies, imho, to any group of people - online or offline
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From:theferrett
Date:August 8th, 2011 09:55 pm (UTC)
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No community does this. At least if you ask them.

(Well, some do, but they claim it's completely justified. I'm not so certain.)
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From:lysystratae
Date:August 8th, 2011 03:46 pm (UTC)
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That should be how you keep the doors open, and I hope like hell it is now; it didn't work for me 18 years ago.
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From:theferrett
Date:August 8th, 2011 09:56 pm (UTC)
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....At a comics shop?
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From:caudelac
Date:August 8th, 2011 03:52 pm (UTC)
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...yep.
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From:johannah_rose
Date:August 8th, 2011 03:55 pm (UTC)
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I went to a debate when I was in college which pretended to be about whether or not the school should spend $300 to print "rape cards" (these were cards that fit on a keychain with instructions on what to do if you are raped, numbers to call for a ride to the hospital, don't shower yet, etc.).

There were two groups, the ifeminists and some more traditional women's rights types. I came up with other alternatives to save the $300 (accept personal donations until $300 was reached, post the information on the main website for free), which would have been awesome if the money were the real issue.

The real issue was soemthing far beyond that, but everyone in the audience (myself excepted, I am far from perfect but I have better manners than that) was shouting down the ifeminists horribly. To the point where they couldn't make a simple statement or ask a question without being accused of everything from homophobia ("Do you date men?") to racism. It was insane.

I did not agree with the ifeminists on most parts of this, but the reason I stayed through the debate was so that I could apologize to them at the end. Nothing was achieved there by shouting down the opposition, it rarely is.
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From:theferrett
Date:August 8th, 2011 09:56 pm (UTC)
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I'd probably would have apologized as well.
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From:sterling_raptor
Date:August 8th, 2011 04:00 pm (UTC)
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My experience? Use the word "Coven" instead of comic book shop.

"Oh yes, we have open circles and are welcoming of any path (as long as it is close enough to ours to be basically the same)."

"We love having people with new opinions and ideas (as long as it is something we already wanted to do or agree with)."

"We create a safe space for Pagans to feel at home (as long as they aren't different from us)."

If you violate the "as long as" part, it gets amazingly fucking ugly and because the community is generally small, you get ostracized and shunned.
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From:mariadkins
Date:August 8th, 2011 05:00 pm (UTC)
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yeah been there.
From:simulated_knave
Date:August 8th, 2011 04:06 pm (UTC)
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This sounds a hell of a lot like my fiancee's social work faculty.
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From:delsienika
Date:August 8th, 2011 04:20 pm (UTC)
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Sounds like my social work faculty *sigh*
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From:tormentedartist
Date:August 8th, 2011 04:24 pm (UTC)
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You see this enclavish behavior in a hell of a lot of liberal circles as well.

I think its actually worse in "liberal as long as you believe everything that we believe circles" because it smacks of elitism. Comic guy is easy to write off as a jerk,college educated activist type not so much. Hell a lot of people won't even question college educated activist type for fear of seeming stupid. Also liberal college educated type actually wants to be helpful...whereas comic guy just wants a world that fit his needs. A world where he can be a dirty slob and still get hot chicks that look like WOW characters.

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From:theferrett
Date:August 8th, 2011 09:57 pm (UTC)
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Comic guy is easy to write off as a jerk,college educated activist type not so much. Hell a lot of people won't even question college educated activist type for fear of seeming stupid.

Good point.
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From:ysabel
Date:August 8th, 2011 05:26 pm (UTC)
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From:theferrett
Date:August 8th, 2011 09:57 pm (UTC)
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I think there are times it's right to flip the Bozo Bit, in the absence of a workplace that can fire complete incompetents.

But you should be very slow to do so.
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From:sylphslider
Date:August 8th, 2011 05:51 pm (UTC)
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Wow. You totally described a group I belonged to for several years. I was one of those "comic shop nerds" who was mean to outsiders, too. We were supposed to be completely inclusive, but we ended up including only those people who were like us.
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From:whyelaborate
Date:August 8th, 2011 06:46 pm (UTC)
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This was good. Really good. I love how a lot of your entries use a small marginal example to illustrate things about people/society/life, but this is one of the best ones. Really true and thoughtful. Thanks for writing. :)
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From:kidsis
Date:August 8th, 2011 07:08 pm (UTC)
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This is what I fight every time I get into an "exclusive" group. The worst part is that they don't even know they are all that exclusive. Of course, there is a feeling of being the "victim" and a lot of "woe iz us" when I know that the other side is feeling the same way because, as part of that circle as well, I am hearing them say it.

I'm a walking contradiction: I identify as bisexual and support LGBT rights yet I am a born-again Christian and I feel the greatest desire of my heart is to marry a man with similar beliefs, have a monogamous relationship, be a stay-at-home spouse for a while and raise a family. There are many other examples but just taking into account the one I mentioned means that I often feel alienated and marginalized especially when I am around those that agree with 1 or the other of my positions.
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From:funwithrage
Date:August 8th, 2011 07:16 pm (UTC)
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From what you've posted here, I don't see a problem--I have plenty of feminist/LGBT-supporting female friends who want to be stay-at-home moms. It's your choice; as long as you're not saying every woman should do it, then there's nothing wrong with that.

Likewise, I have a number of Christian friends who support LGBT rights and are even fine with my slutty vaguely pagan ways. ;) I wish the Christian leadership that got press was more like you guys, but hey--that's media for you.
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From:dornbeast
Date:August 8th, 2011 07:16 pm (UTC)
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You see this enclavish behavior in a hell of a lot of liberal other circles as well.

My suggestion for an edit. As you imply farther down, it happens to everybody.
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From:pentane
Date:August 8th, 2011 08:29 pm (UTC)
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But if you say it as you suggest, any specific group would say, "sure, everyone else does that, but not us"

By calling out liberals you get a reaction from the liberals and the three conservatives that read the journal won't respond, so no big loss.
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From:ultra_lilac
Date:August 8th, 2011 08:04 pm (UTC)
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Absolutely agreed. Especially if you want to (to torture your analogy a bit) sell comics to people who think they're stupid, rather than talk about how epic comics are with your three existing customers who agreed with you to begin with.
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From:lysanderlove
Date:August 8th, 2011 08:11 pm (UTC)
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But, there's no way that could possibly happen here... Right?

I always find this kind of realization sorta unifying, in that it shows us that we're all not quite as different from the people we clash with as we like to think we are.
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From:theferrett
Date:August 8th, 2011 10:00 pm (UTC)
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It could absolutely happen here. I worry about that sometimes.
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From:lots42
Date:August 8th, 2011 08:11 pm (UTC)
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In other words, clean your workspace and pay attention to customers.
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From:radiumhead
Date:August 8th, 2011 08:37 pm (UTC)
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And with everybody saying print is dying, especially for comic books, youd think these guys would be doing anything they can to bring more people in, not keep em out.
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From:theferrett
Date:August 8th, 2011 10:00 pm (UTC)
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People are not always able to seek their own self-interest rationally.

In fact, rarely.
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From:lionore
Date:August 8th, 2011 08:51 pm (UTC)
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I think what theferrett means here is those communities that dismiss all dissenting opinions, even those that are politely and thoughtfully stated. It's easy to use the example of the "hurrr durr ur all fags" person to argue for the exclusivity of communities. It's easy to just paint all dissenting opinions with the same brush and be done with it.
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From:lots42
Date:August 8th, 2011 10:14 pm (UTC)
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Even when the dissenting opinions have nothing to do with the focus of the group at all. I got kicked out in that manner.
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From:practicallyfame
Date:August 8th, 2011 09:36 pm (UTC)

hah

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When you started writing this, I knew it was gonna end up being quasi-political. I wasn't sure if you were gonna say Liberals, or my favorite example of this - Libertarians.

Any group, really. It's why I have such a random assortment of friends on Facebook - I have my Libertarian friends and a small handful of actual hardcore Republicans, and then a majority of Liberal friends, it's true.. but friends of mine constantly ask me why I stay friends with certain individuals who reply to every post I make about abortion rights or gay marriage with a tirade of the opposing viewpoint - to which I say "cause I want there to be conversation. I don't want this to be a yes-man community."

"safe space" doesn't always thrill me. and I've been "removed" from some "safe spaces" for suggesting (politely) that perhaps an obnoxious trend is forming...

hence my email signature...

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." -Nietzsche.
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From:practicallyfame
Date:August 8th, 2011 09:43 pm (UTC)

Re: hah

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That should have been phrased "when I started reading this..." haha
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