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March 4th, 2010
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A Thought On Writing
Reading seanan_mcguire's most excellent novel "Rosemary and Rue," I've come to the conclusion that the hardest kind of novel-writing has to be noir.

Not that all novels aren't difficult in their own way, of course - but watching what Seanan is doing is amazing, because she's setting up at least fifteen different characters, each with their own motivation, each charging in and out at will, and I can keep track of them. Bad noir is often about a maze of twisty little personages, all alike. Seanan, however, manages to distill the essence of each personality so that they fit, comfortably, into an introductory page or two.

That requires a powerful grasp of character; it's easy to write someone you'll remember clearly for the rest of the novel if you take up, say, a hundred pages explaining who this woman is and why she's here. Doing that in a page and a half? Near impossible. And doing it time and time again? That's the Olympic gold.

Yet noir (and most mystery) novels are, by their nature, about a lot of people doing things. Noir's all about distillation; you don't have a lot of time to go into why this ancient mansion is creepy, so you have to nail it in a paragraph. You don't have a lot of space for background details, so get it quick.

The goodness of Rosemary and Rue - which I have not finished yet, so shut yer yaps - is that Seanan manages to nail that Gaimanesque trick of finding the one right detail that, fractally, tells you everything else you need to know. She's compact, which allows her to pack a lot of stuff into her writing, making every page pop with something both interesting and relevant.

I'm not a fan of pulpish urban fantasy - Laurell K. Hamilton and Charlaine Harris leave me cold - but I have to admit there's a talent in there that I do not, as yet, possess. And it's a damn fine thing to see happen when it clicks, because you have to get everything right so quickly and so succinctly that it's like ice skating on a birdbath. Watching it unfold as I read is a pleasure as a writer and a pleasure as a reader.

(18 shouts of denial | Tell me I'm full of it)

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From:phillipalden
Date:March 4th, 2010 04:28 pm (UTC)
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My first writing mentor used an expression called; "killing your babies." Of course, what he meant was that sometimes characters you (as an author) might be attached to, have to die.

That implies we get emotionally attached to our characters, which makes sense because they live through us.

When I take a break from writing, (as I've been doing,) I go back and familiarize myself with "my babies" again. It's often like meeting an old friend and 'catching up.'
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From:mariadkins
Date:March 4th, 2010 04:46 pm (UTC)
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i had to kill a character once. i'm still in tears.
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From:phillipalden
Date:March 4th, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC)
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Me too. I had to kill not only one of my favorite characters, but one I know the readers will be attached to, a person who is there almost from the start, (and dies near the end of book two.)

I cried when I wrote it, and I cry when I edit/re-read it.
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From:ccr1138
Date:March 4th, 2010 04:35 pm (UTC)
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a maze of twisty little personages, all alike

Zork allusion FTW
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From:korvarthefox
Date:March 4th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
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Collossal Caves/Adventure, surely!

(Captcha: her chutzpah. Seems appropriate)
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From:yendi
Date:March 4th, 2010 04:50 pm (UTC)
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You mean "hard-boiled," right? Noir is a cinematic style.

That said, I agree, although I'm not sure that a vast number of characters is essential to the genre; Hammett managed The Dain Curse without going overboard on characters, and James Cain rarely involved more than a handful of folks.

All that said, I still look to Keith Hartman's The Gumshoe, The Witch, & The Virtual Corpse as possible the best example of a pulpy hard-boiled urban fantasy with a huge cast.
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From:murnkay
Date:March 4th, 2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
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What you need to do is read Spillane. IF you can deconstruct him and Jim Thompson you'll see noir as both the hardest and easiest form of writing. Kinda.
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From:kathrynrose
Date:March 4th, 2010 05:12 pm (UTC)
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With Charlaine Harris, are you talking about the Sookie Stackhouse novels, or one of her other series? I just finished 3 of the "Grave" books, and they are not as good as the Sookie books in character or plot. If I'd read them first, I'd never have picked up Sookie, whom I love. (Note that I have lived in the Shreveport area my entire life, and a lot of my love for the Sookie books has to do with her obvious love for this local area.)
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From:theferrett
Date:March 4th, 2010 05:31 pm (UTC)
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The Sookie Stackhouse novels. Read one on a vacation, thought it was okay yet forgettable, then only remembered it when True Blood came on.
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From:rosalarian
Date:March 4th, 2010 05:35 pm (UTC)
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Oh man, I wrote a hardboiled story a few months ago. It was way more difficult than I thought it'd be.
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From:jenk
Date:March 4th, 2010 05:38 pm (UTC)
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I'm not a fan of pulpish urban fantasy - Laurell K. Hamilton and Charlaine Harris

Do you like Robert B Parker or John MacDonald or other hard-boiled detective fiction?

I think why I glommed onto Guilty Pleasures and not Charlaine Harris' Sookie novels is that I read about 20 Spenser novels as a teen and young adult ;)

Edited at 2010-03-04 05:39 pm (UTC)
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From:magda_vogelsang
Date:March 5th, 2010 06:00 am (UTC)
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I'm actually reading the Spencer novels now, based on a recommendation from Jim Butcher at a local booksigning.

I enjoyed Hamilton's early stuff, but hate the direction the series has gone. Lots of badly written boring sex and talking about sex, and very little plot. And I say that as someone who enjoys well written erotica. Also, after killing off one minor character, she apparently decided she could "Never do that to Anita again" and promised her heroine that she'd never lose anyone she cared about again. Which rather limits things, plot wise.

Tried reading a couple Sookie Stackhouse novels and wasn't that excited, but I really enjoy Jim Butcher's stuff.
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From:phoenix_hawk
Date:March 4th, 2010 06:27 pm (UTC)
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I've read Hamilton, Harris, and Jim Butcher (my favorite of the three), and older urban fantasy before it was recognized as such(the old Mercedes Lackey elves with cars series). But the first person to turn Urban Fantasy into literature for me, something beyond genre? Charlie Huston. Partially because he wrote one hell of a lot of pulp/noire books before hitting urban fantasy.

He hits these compacting details with a fine grace, and voice...oh the voice of that author is the first one to bowl me over in *years*.


I'd link his "Already Dead" book via amazon here, save that I don't like leaving commercial links in other people's journals.
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From:dornbeast
Date:March 4th, 2010 07:27 pm (UTC)
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If you're enjoying R&R as much as it sounds like you are, I recommend A Local Habitation, the next book in the series. I have it, I've read it, and I think it's as good or better than Rosemary and Rue.

Do you mind if I point this out to seanan_mcguire? She collects reviews of her work, and I think this might be an observation nobody has made yet.
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From:theferrett
Date:March 4th, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
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Feel free. I know it's being released this week - I just didn't want to pick up the second in case I disliked the first.

But feel free to point it out to her - she seems to be a cool person. Even if she will win my Campbell award, and rightfully so! What a despicable talent. *g*
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From:ladyfox7oaks
Date:March 4th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
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Wait till you get to "A Local Habitation". Released just two days ago into the wild and it'll hit you hard.
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From:bbwoof
Date:March 4th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
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If you have an urge to try more of the hard-boiled urban fantasy detective, I'd recommend Glen Cook's Garrett, P.I. series. There are a dozen of these published, starting with Sweet Silver Blues in 1987, with 2008's Cruel Zinc Melodies being most recent.

Cook's writing has a distinctive voice, and he is a virtuoso at tripping your emotional triggers. He once ruined my entire weekend with a single descriptive paragraph.
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From:azurelunatic
Date:March 5th, 2010 09:41 am (UTC)
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I think you may like the ending.
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