The Watchtower of Destruction: The Ferrett's Journal - Corrosion of Nonconformity
September 4th, 2008
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Corrosion of Nonconformity

When I wrote about obsessive porn devotees who actively review porn scenes, I mentioned that I never wanted to become one of them. That’s not because I never want to become obsessed with porn, but rather because I don’t want to become obsessed.

See, I like fandoms, in theory. I’ve always been a huge proponent of having something in your life that interests you – Lord knows I’ve seen enough people retire and then have no clue what to do with their lives when they’re being told what to do. Fans have something that gets them out of bed in the morning, whether that’s their dedication to the lost art of calliope music or just an adoration of all things Willem Dafoe.

Life’s tough. Anything that makes it easier is a Good Thing, in my book. But there is this fine line in fandom where people stop treating it as a hobby and start treating it as a mandate from God, completely forgetting that other people exist.

The funny thing is that those who aren’t fans blame it on the flavor of fandom – “Oh my God, it’s Harry Potter that turned her nuts!” or “Judas Priest made them crazy!” or “Porn made him into a basement recluse!” But the essential truth of fandom is that all crazy fans are basically alike. If you put an anime-crazed teen into the same room as a fifty-something nutso trainspotter, they’d both have absolutely nothing of interest to say to each other, or anyone else outside their fandom…

…but what they’d both have in common is that they’re using their fandom as a way to block out the outside world.

Everything in this universe becomes filtered through the lens of their devotion, no matter what that devotion is; they believe that everyone genuinely wants to hear about the fine details of their love, no matter what the outside evidence is that statistically speaking, nobody cares. They crawl inside their particular fandom and try their best to pull the covers over their heads.

The Internet encourages this. Three decades ago, if you were a crazy Star Trek fan, you had to work to find other fans, going out of your way to conventions and subscribing to badly-typed newsletters. The rest of the time, you had to deal with non-fans on a regular basis, and probably had to reluctantly count a couple of non-Trekkies among your physical friends. But now, at the click of a button, you can immerse yourself in a sea of people who all think as you do, which helps sustain the illusion and boils the sanity away from the truly looney even faster.

They don’t have to live in the real world. They have the net. And more importantly, they don’t want to see anything but their fandom, reducing all the other joys of existence to an irritation at best.

And because that bubble-world of fandom is all they have, they get furious whenever it’s threatened. If someone has a dissenting opinion on whether VINCENT WOULD MOW THE LAWN, they’ll treat it as though it were an attack from the Gestapo. It gets to the point where people get furious at the author of a book series because she departed from “their” canon, forgetting that whoah, you’re playing in her sandbox, not the other way ‘round.

And while I think it’s nice that social misfits can find friends – remember, I was one for a very long time – I also think that “learning to deal with people who don’t share all of your values and beliefs” is perhaps one of the greatest skills one can master. Restricting yourself solely to a small enclave of like-minded people hardly ever seems like a good idea to me…

…especially since they tend to get insular and nasty, becoming spiteful towards the outside world and the heretical sub-branches of their fandom. The strange thing is that the deep and devoted fandoms often get the same reactions from nerds that people have to babies; people think they’re somehow innocent and sweet, but really they’re only cute when they’re getting everything they want at that exact moment. The rest of the time they scream a lot.

Now, keep in mind that I’m not talking about fandom in general. Lord knows my deep love of D&D and comics got me some great friends who disagree with me about many other topics, and my obsession with blogging is, well, why you’re reading me right now. I will repeat: Hobbies are good. Fandom itself isn’t bad. But that doesn’t change the fact that there are fans who go off the rails and start treating everyone else in the world like an avenue to further explore their zeal for Their Fandom, and that is troublesome.

The interesting thing is what creates that syndrome. Maybe the non-fans are right, and it is some . Maybe everyone has some secret trigger, a hidden Manchurian Candidate-style psychological issue that, when encountered, will inevitably pull them into the obsessions of whatever their deepest lust is. It could be that all that separates me from Crazy Cat Lady is that I haven’t stumbled upon whatever fandom that would trigger me.

Or maybe it’s a psychological profile, and there’s just a certain kind of person who succumbs to it. Maybe the guy who can’t leave his X-Files DVDs alone is like a baby bird; he would have imprinted onto whatever half-decent show he saw first, and it just happened to be X-Files. Could have been Beastmaster. Who knew?

But I know that I don’t want to become one. Being an obsessive pornhound leads one to think of women as objects, certainly. But being an obsessive fan also leads one to think of people as objects as well, and I’m against that as a whole.

Sadly, this also applies to obsessions with politics and religion. And it gets worse there, because the debates that occur in those areas actually matter. But that’s a topic for another day.

(Tell me I'm full of it)

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From:[info]allah_sulu
Date:September 4th, 2008 01:45 pm (UTC)
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But there is this fine line in fandom where people stop treating it as a hobby and start treating it as a mandate from God, completely forgetting that other people exist.

I generally refer to that as being the difference between a "fan" and a "fanboy" (or "fangirl"). Some others use "trekkies"/"trekkers" to make a similar distinction.
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From:[info]funwithrage
Date:September 4th, 2008 02:43 pm (UTC)
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Yep.

I find that people who use the word "fen" are more likely to fall into the latter category. As are people who care whether you call 'em trekkies or trekkers, actually. ;)

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From:[info]allah_sulu
Date:September 4th, 2008 02:48 pm (UTC)
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"A 'trekker' is a Star Trek fan. A 'trekkie' is anyone who insists that you call them a 'trekker'." -Luke Ski
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From:[info]funwithrage
Date:September 4th, 2008 04:45 pm (UTC)
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Luke Ski is like a tiny god, really.
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From:[info]aiela
Date:September 4th, 2008 04:11 pm (UTC)
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That's interesting, since I've never been tied to the word "fen" to describe myself, but will use it when trying to sum up a certain subset of people quickly and succinctly. I was talking to a friend from out of town describing a group that had gone to the RenFest a few days previously, and said "Well, and they were 90% fen, so...." and it was quickly understood and the information passed on.

But yeah, tying yourself to a descriptor as This Is Me is bad whether it's a particular fandom, the fact that you have a disease, whatever.
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From:[info]funwithrage
Date:September 4th, 2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
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Admittedly, part of that one is personal irritation: "Fans! They're *fans*! It's a perfectly functional goddamn word!"...and then I realize I sound like Strong Sad. But I do associate it with a...certain type of congoer, one might say, and the repulsive "FIaWoL" philosophy. Bleah.

That said, language changes and subjective meaning and all that. ;)
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From:[info]aiela
Date:September 4th, 2008 05:15 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, but if I said "they're all fans", then someone would ask "fans of what?"

I have been known to use Con-goers, which people understand the context of, usually. Which encompasses sci-fi people, anime people, gamers, etc etc. At least around here.
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From:[info]funwithrage
Date:September 4th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
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Fair enough. I go with "geeks" most of the time, myself.
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From:[info]bart_calendar
Date:September 4th, 2008 01:53 pm (UTC)
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Um, statistically gay men are much more likely to become obsessive porn hounds than straight dudes, so it's as much dudes as women who end up getting objectified.

About two years ago AVN did a study of repeat business in the porn world - and the customers who purchase again and again and again seemed to mostly be the gays. (Their theory on this is that their partners were cooler about them buying lots and lots of porn than female partners of married men are. Also with no kids there's more disposable income and free time.)

Straight dudes who are obsessed with porn are more visible on the Internet because they are more likely to get porn that is free and doesn't leave a paper trail. Hence, you see them in forums like the one you've described.

But, they are not the dudes who keep buying DVDs, subscribing to sites, etc..

There is a reason why M4MSexNow.com has a kabillion paid subscribers and imitators but the equivalent for straights doesn't really exist (Alt.com is what people will think of, but a lot of the women on Alt who claim to be looking for anonymous one night stands are really looking to get paid for it.)

The study had a lot of surprising results. It turns out that women buy a lot more gay porn than you would expect. And for female repeat customers the most common genre is men masturbating solo without anyone else on screen.
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From:[info]allah_sulu
Date:September 4th, 2008 02:50 pm (UTC)
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It turns out that women buy a lot more gay porn than you would expect.

That really shouldn't be that big a surprise.
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From:[info]bart_calendar
Date:September 4th, 2008 02:53 pm (UTC)
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It's not a surprise to most women, but whenever I try to explain this to guys they are like "no way!"

But yeah, it shouldn't be a surprise, but it is to a lot of people.

On one of the gay sites I work on roughly 25 percent of the paid subscribers are female.
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From:[info]allah_sulu
Date:September 4th, 2008 02:58 pm (UTC)
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It's not a surprise to most women, but whenever I try to explain this to guys they are like "no way!"

I dunno, I remember years ago* being told by multiple women that men were "weird" (and various other derogatory adjectives) for watching lesbian porn, because women never watched gay male porn. Even some female comediennes used to riff on that one.

*The 90s, before Anne Rice, yaoi anime/manga, slashfiction, and so forth all went mainstream(ish).
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From:[info]bart_calendar
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:01 pm (UTC)
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Yes.

When I read porn viewing/purchasing stats in trade publications it always makes me imagine this married couple where he's on his laptop in one room watching lesbian porn and she's on her laptop in another room watching gay male porn and then they go to bed and have straight sex, each of them thinking about a different same sex couple.
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From:[info]pjhandley
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:04 pm (UTC)
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actually, it doesn't surprise me given the numerous writers of slash fiction. Not to mention the large number of female artists at any given furry con drawing what is basically furry gay porn.
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From:[info]bart_calendar
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:09 pm (UTC)
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I suspect the numbers of female gay porn consumers will keep going up as porn marketers react to the purchasing stats.

I know that four years ago when I'd have to do ads for gay porn I was always told to make it explicit and not even acknowledge that women existed.

But now gay porn sites are trying to find ways to market themselves in ways that make them attractive to females without alienating gay male consumers.

It makes it a bit of a challenge. So far the most effective way seems to be to make the copy more satirical and less in your face. In other words, more puns and one liners and less "his cock will split your ass apart."
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From:[info]absolute_tash
Date:September 4th, 2008 06:05 pm (UTC)
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This is really fascinating. Do you know of any company that is actively trying to make gay male porn for women? I never considered subscribing to porn until I found UKnakedmen. Good looking men, with accents who don't sound like retards? I'm there, man.
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From:[info]bart_calendar
Date:September 4th, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC)
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Every gay porn company I work for is asking me if I can help them find female customers.
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From:[info]absolute_tash
Date:September 4th, 2008 10:56 pm (UTC)
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Just add a little tingle of angst - I think that's what floats most slasher's boats.
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From:[info]funwithrage
Date:September 4th, 2008 02:49 pm (UTC)
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Yes, this.

I'm a geek, and a fan of various things. I don't have particularly close non-geek friends, because, well...we have nothing in common and I have plenty of close geek friends, so why bother? But I think it's important to be able to talk about non-geek stuff--to be able to make an hour or so of casual conversation with people at work, once a week, about politics, or movies, or our various crazy parents. And to enjoy it.*

If your entire life is about One Thing, whether that's porn or Harry Potter or being a parent or owning a dog or believing in Jesus, there's something wrong with you.

*I still can't deal with much of the small-talk-at-family-weddings thing, though, but that's because...well, big extended family. Can't talk about politics, can't talk about religion, don't watch the same movies or TV shows, only see them a couple times a year and don't really give a damn who's engaged or going to dental school or what. But that's different.
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From:[info]drunkencarousal
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:00 pm (UTC)
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and this is why i find watching the twilight fandom so hilarious and yet so sad at the same time.
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From:[info]pjhandley
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:01 pm (UTC)
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this blog really hit home with me. Because of the nature of my business (selling t-shirts to fen), I go to a wide variety of conventions/conferences. I don't discriminate, I'll sell to anybody who wants to give me money. But it amazes me how any one given fandom will disparage another. Now, granted, there is some cross-over (a furry who's also into Steampunk, for example) but for the most part, if you mention one fandom to another, there's either eye-rolling or some kind of rude remark about the other or both. As if their particular branch of fandom was soooo much better than those crazy "fill-in-the-blanks".
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From:[info]scarfman
Date:September 4th, 2008 11:08 pm (UTC)

after Tom Lehrer

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Oh, the Trekkies hate the Warsies
And the Warsies hates the Whozits
And the Whozits hate the Browncoats
And everybody hates the Furs!
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From:[info]morgan303
Date:September 5th, 2008 02:13 am (UTC)

Re: after Tom Lehrer

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*snicker*
This brightened my morning, especially imagining it in Lehrer's voice.:)
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From:[info]pjhandley
Date:September 5th, 2008 02:26 pm (UTC)

Re: after Tom Lehrer

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BWAH HAHAHAHAHA..... OMG, that needs to be a filk song!
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From:[info]andrewducker
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:02 pm (UTC)
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Yeah - I've bumped into obsessives in all areas, people for whom settling questions for which there is no single right answer is more important than the real people they are talking to, or for whom their character is more important than their friends.

It's scary stuff when it gets out of hand. I've had a group of friends splinter over the type of roleplaying game we should play next...
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From:[info]frutoftheshroom
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:02 pm (UTC)
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There is definitely a HUGE difference between a hobbyist/enthusiast and an all out obsessee (see what I did there? Making up word is fun kids!).

Several of my friends criticize roleplaying, ccgs, videogames, and whatever other fandoms as not a symptom, but a cause, something that will turn someone into a recluse when they might be healthier otherwise. I obviously disagree.

I've also always found it funny how certain obsessions are more socially acceptable than others. Cars? Totally acceptable. Paintball? Yup. Cigars? Sounds good. Joss Whedon geeks? Not so much. Roleplaying? Get back in the basement, beast.
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From:[info]arkannath
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
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http://xkcd.com/471/ would seem to be apropos.

(Bridge, ballroom dancing, RPing, cycling, whisky fan here).
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From:[info]kisekinotenshi
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:28 pm (UTC)
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This is 99% of the reason I don't go to small cons anymore (small being a relative description in this instance). Because I would watch my friends get sucked into this situation where it was okay to be a crazy obsessive fan for three or four days, and then for some reason it would take them weeks afterward to transition back to normal person again. It even happened to me once, and I realized that I really didn't like feeling like a social pariah because I was trying to talk about anime in my choir classes, where no one gave a damn and let me know so.

There are some small cons that are okay (WTHCon in Greensboro, NC), and generally any con that's about more than one kind of fandom, but any specific con just gets scary for me. I don't like it. I love many things passionately. I will defend opera with tooth and nail if someone tries to tell me it sucks, and if someone tells me knitting is useless I will list every single instance I know of that will prove them wrong. But I don't talk about knitting or singing every second of every day. Generally I don't bring them up unless I'm asked (I am asked about singing a lot because it's my profession, and it's rare enough that people are usually curious). And the other things I like? I just like them. I like Firefly, and Harry Potter, and Sandman, but I don't go to websites dedicated to them and spend hours debating that one scene where that one thing happened and what it might mean.

I keep an open mind, and try not to condemn anyone for their hobbies, but I've watched too many of my friends get sucked into things that aren't healthy. I've spent many a day trying to explain to them that something is wrong, and met the denial and anger of addiction over and over. It sucks.
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From:[info]directordale
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
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You make small cons sound like going on a heroin binge.
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From:[info]kisekinotenshi
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:49 pm (UTC)
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That's what it was like for us. To be fair, I'm talking about a specific con (Animazement in NC), as it wasn't until recently that I had the resources to go to any others. I'm sure there are other small cons out there that aren't as bad.
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From:[info]directordale
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:40 pm (UTC)
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A very good post and I concur a hundred percent.

I like a lot of geeky and fannish things as well and used to be an anime fanboy but I have stayed away from the fan community for the past a while now because of the things you mentioned in this post. Especially the mandate from God stuff and I have noticed it in two distinct ways:

1. Draco in Leather Pants/Evil is Supersexy

Mainly found against the Gothy McGoths in fandom. But I have noticed a lot of Harry Potter uber-fans get really passionate about being "House Slytherin" or the importance of being "pureblood." Sometimes to the extent that they create elaborate fanfics to prove that Hermione Ganger is a pureblood and not from non-magical parents. They also get into a boil when you point out that House Slytherin is clearly supposed to be bad and Draco is nothing more the cowardly and sniveling crypto-Nazi elitist. Harry Potter is still young adult/child literature and it seems fairly obvious (at least to me) that it is an anti-Nazi/anti-eugenics allegory. Especially considering that Tom Riddle was in the process of becoming Voldermort around the WWII era.

2. Yaoi fangirls

There are a lot of yaoi fangirls out there who seem to think that real homosexual couples work on the same ultra-BDSM principals that are seen in slash fanfic. When you point out that this is not true and it is actually very offensive to homosexual couples from them to feel this way, they get angry as you mentioned.
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From:[info]morgan303
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
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...not to mention that writing slash about early-series Harry Potter and his mates is a form of paedophilia-

But they get very angry if you try and point that out.
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From:[info]aiela
Date:September 4th, 2008 04:16 pm (UTC)
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This is why I am very, very uncomfortable with Harry Potter slash. I guess now they're older, and it could be less creepy, but the people who were writing Harry/Snape slash when he was 12 or 13 in the books gave me the willies.
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From:[info]funwithrage
Date:September 4th, 2008 04:51 pm (UTC)
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Enh.

I mean, I don't read or write it, but: it's quite possible to write about underaged sex without being a pedophile--see That One Scene in IT--and I think a lot of the underage slash writers are identifying with the youthful character and the sexual discovery/exploration process. (A lot of people did start masturbating/"playing doctor"/whatever with their friends around 11 or 12, and a lot of people find those memories vaguely erotic, without having fantasies about actual kids.)

That said, porn with the characters in books 1-3, especially when one of the partners is adult, does squick the hell out of me.
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From:[info]morgan303
Date:September 5th, 2008 02:18 am (UTC)
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I get the 'sexual discovery process' thing; on the other hand I don't actually *know* any underage Potterslash writers; all the ones I've heard of (thankfully, none of my friends) have been in their late 20s-early 30s. I find it creepy, not just because they're writing about children in a sexual fashion for their own gratification, but because they obviously can't move on from their own childhoods and seem happiest in a state of regression.

And I've heard waaaay too many "adults" getting all hot under the collar over Harry/Snape action for my liking. Ugh.
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From:[info]vvvexation
Date:September 5th, 2008 05:52 am (UTC)
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They obviously can't? How do you know?
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From:[info]funwithrage
Date:September 5th, 2008 02:33 pm (UTC)
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I don't know any in RL, but I've probably met a few on fandom_wank and elsewhere, and they've seemed largely sane and mature. Not that there aren't crazy socially-stunted freaks out there--hi, this is fandom--but the ones I've met seem to know the difference between finding this interesting in a fictional context and thinking it's cool RL.

Juvenile Harry/Snape freaks me out, yeah. After book 5 or so, not so much--plenty of guys have "hot schoolgirl" fantasies without being actual pedophiles, so--but pre-that, yeah. Not my thing.
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From:[info]morgan303
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:46 pm (UTC)
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The Vincent post reminds me (as many critiques from and of fandom do), of the endless debates that went on in the Middle Ages, about things like how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, and whether Jesus owned the clothes he wore (yes, I ganked one of those from Name of the Rose; I'm having a blank on the ones that were actually mentioned in my Medieval History class). These things were of absolute importance at the time to help people understand the nature of God or the philosophy outlined in one parable or another.

I think, to a certain extent, (and yes, I laughed as hard as any of you about those crazy Internet chicks having a stoush-on over their various imaginings about Vincent) that discussions like this, though fulfill the same role as those discussions about sticking-points in the Bible. Even though they're regarded as "less authentic/relevant because they're popular culture, they're about understanding the crux of a particular essence.

I agree with you, mind you. I just wanted to point out that this has been going on for centuries.:)
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From:[info]scarfman
Date:September 4th, 2008 11:12 pm (UTC)
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fulfill the same role

I've said the same thing further below.

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From:[info]edge_ofthe_sea
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
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This whole post I was not quite thinking of fandom, but Fred Phelps and his crazy ass family of followers. Bleh.
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From:[info]streon
Date:September 4th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
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And this is why, as big a fan of Firefly and Serenity as I am, I refuse to call myself a Browncoat.
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From:[info]kudilu
Date:September 4th, 2008 05:14 pm (UTC)
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. . .

so what do you call yourself when you cycle through obsessions?
From:[info]jcochrane
Date:September 4th, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
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manic?
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From:[info]bonerici
Date:September 4th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
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The affluent consumer society, says Okonogi, has an infantilizing effect. Media and advertising appeal to the child in everyone. As the rate of science and technology driven social changes accelerates, everyone is forced to flexibly adapt and perpetually learn in order to keep up sophisticated skills. The frenzied demon's dance of cultural appearances and disappearances allows no other mode of being than a provisional, temporary one, permanently 'on call'. No other mode than a playful and leisurely involvement that maintains distance. Everybody has come to be both consumer and non-affiliated, uncommitted visitor within a controlling and protecting structure. Like otaku the shallow human relations allow moratorium people to live isolatedly. The moratorium biographies lead to an identity diffusion syndrome and an ego vacuum that, according to Okonogi today have become a normal state of affairs. The moratorium becomes an end in itself. But the situation also contains an explosive, destructive power.

Most of all Okonogi blames the mass media, which produce an unreal state of existence (...) The self dissociation characteristic of the mass media also typifies the spychological structure of young people(...) They have now become omnipotent through assimilation to the mass media, which have a magical power over society.
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From:[info]absolute_tash
Date:September 4th, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
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Oh, Fandom. So great, and so crazy. I met my best friend online, and now I spend almost every weekend hanging with her. We have lots of fandom related intrests, but we've stuck around so long because we also like stuff like sewing and cheese and going to plays. I've actually met and made several great friends through fandom. I think it's a great place to meet people where you have some short hand. You don't need to explain "Oh, and I can't go out on Thursday - I have to finish writing my Hannibal Lecter erotica." They know what's up.

On the other side, yeah, fandom is chocked full of crazy. One of my fandoms, fairly small, had an awful woman who was pulling Munchausen by Internet. We sent her flowers, afghans, and sympathy cards when her son died. Expect she didn't have a son. To this day, all the people involved in that fandom are a bit more stand-offish because of it.

So in the good v bad comparison - I think good wins. I've made great friends, written a ton of fun stuff, and generally had a good, geeky time. I've even gotten laid. Bottom line - crazy is crazy, in or out of fandom. It just takes a little longer sometimes to diagnose crazy over the internet.
From:[info]jcochrane
Date:September 4th, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)
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I echo a lot of what you said.

I personally think a lot of the rabid fnas I have met seem to exhibit ttraits of addiction, introversion, and obsessive-compulsive disorder, to frame it in a psychological way. I think all 3 of these items fall into the category of "born, not made," in that they seems intrinsic rather then imposed by environment.

And I would much rather interact with a porn hound than with most rabid fen. Yes, there's a long, bitter story there, but this is your blog.

Congrats again on your Clarion experience, and hope your health woes are now past.
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From:[info]scarfman
Date:September 4th, 2008 10:55 pm (UTC)
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Three decades ago, if you were a crazy Star Trek fan, you had to work to find other fans, going out of your way to conventions and subscribing to badly-typed newsletters.

I didn't know you knew me then.

stop treating it as a hobby and start treating it as a mandate from God

I've been meaning for years to write an essay about how fandom is a symptom, or a consequence or a something, of whatever it is in us that drives us to religion, in those of us who have rejected religion or just haven't grown up with it permeating society like it used to before the Enlightenment. Because fandoms do meet many of the same human needs that organized religions meet; and, as you note here, ennable many of the same negative behaviors religion does. But it's a great, big meaty topic that needs to be done right and I'm too lazy not interested enough to actually research; I'd rather write my fanfiction and draw my crossover cartoons.

insular and nasty, becoming spiteful towards the outside world and the heretical sub-branches of their fandom

On the other hand, I'm sure lots of the worst-behaved fans got into it partially to find someplace where they were the in crowd and could exlude others from the top.

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From:[info]treelife
Date:September 5th, 2008 05:21 am (UTC)
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It cracks me up that there is an inner circle in every fandom or rpg game. And at the same time, I'm in awe of them. Yes, I am.
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From:[info]lunarennui
Date:September 5th, 2008 09:27 am (UTC)
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fandom is like this: you can obsess, or you can partake. the ones who obsess freak the fuck out whenever upset. the ones who partake...well, they pretty much do the same things, but they'll give up a fight instead of going for the batshit win--which doesn't exist.

as for me, i obsess right up until the fandom gloss has worn off, and i never, ever get involved in fandom fights, because you can't win one. ever. well, that, and i hate arguing with people. and i NEVER get into fandom--er--FANDOM. 'popular' is a word i've worked very hard to avoid all my life. it's been a good choice.
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