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July 28th, 2008
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Fanbukkake
I've been blogging about Neil Gaiman a lot, because he's given me permission to. But I have yet to tell you the absolute best thing about Neil Gaiman: His wonderful friends.

For example, on Friday he asked, "Would you folks like to have Dave McKean over for dinner?" And of course we said yes. But the finest hour was on Tuesday, when he uttered the words that would put me in touch with one of my all-time favorite comic book creators:

"Do you want me to ask Scott McCloud over? He's got some fascinating theories."

Now, Scott is one of the most underrated comics creators in existence. He's most famous for "Understanding Comics," but before that he created Zot! - a whacky story about a boy superhero in a parallel universe and his semi-girlfriend in this one. Zot! started out as a silly adventure, just something to hang a bunch of cool villains on - and then, as Scott got bored with that and learned about manga, it suddenly took a twist and deepened. Before you knew it, Zot! was using its villains to explore universal themes... And then, in "Earth Stories," Scott finally dropped the superheroes altogether to do the best character studies ever put to paper, devoting an issue each to minor characters and making them so real my heart broke each and every month.

Neil was amused, because I think he surmised - correctly - that while I like Sandman, my adoration for Zot! and Understanding Comics far surpassed my love for Neil Gaiman. He joked that his best usage here was as a conduit for Scott.

So Scott came over to talk to us about plotting.

He's working on a new theory - it's what he does - and the best part was that he was clearly still thinking it over, trying to figure out what elements link all plots, and wanted us to share our ideas with him. He's a man who loves toying with ideas, and his current idea was that every plot was just following the thread of someone's desire to the end, and he shared his current working theory that there were three things that could happen to that desire by the end of the story.

"I'm suspicious of the three-act story," he said. "I think it's all about desire." But you could see his mind working, trying to find other layers.

He used movies a lot to make his points, and asked us for examples of other movies, and was absolutely thrilled when we provided examples of things that didn't fit his theories. He'd then try to create new frameworks on the fly or come up with even better ideas of things that didn't work, because his enthusiasm for exploration is infectious. We were all pitching ideas, trying to help out, fascinated by the way his mind works.

Yet the second-best thing about having Scott McCloud was that his wife and children came with him, and they were just as much a part of the lecture as we were. He's obviously very enamored of his wife and daughters, and they kept raising their hand to ask questions, interacting with us - he's got two adorable nerds for daughters who love Princess Mononoke and Dr. Horrible with equal affection, and it felt for a moment as though we'd been asked to be, for however short, a part of his tribe.

They love what their dad does, and I can only hope that one day I can sit around the table with them and hear what must be the most fascinating dinner table discussions ever.

And the look in Scott's eyes every time he looks at his wife? Well, I can only hope I look at Gini like that. Kismet.

Scott was oddly shy, not wanting to blather on without audience participation, so Neil had to encourage him to share his ideas of the tribes of creators. Bolstered, he then drew a chart on white paper, explaining that artists tend to fall into one or two of four rough camps:

Animists, who want to replicate the vibrance of life itself;
Classisicts, who love working with classic forms and structures;
Iconoclasts, who want to show the truth of life as it is, and;
Formalists, who like constantly pushing barriers to explore the limits of the medium.

(I'm summarizing, so don't criticize my short-hand interpretation of someone else's ideas. Pick up Making Comics if you want to see how it really works, where he goes into more detail.)

We then spent an hour figuring out where people fell on the continuum ("Harvey Pekar? Animist/Formalist! Neil Gaiman? Animist/Classicist!"), which led to a lot of fun talks about how the camps interact. And best of all, I have the sheet still as a lovely trinket of our time together, and I've asked everyone here to write down where they fall on the chart, so when they all become famous I have this huge sheet full of famous authors' signatures on a Scott McCloud chart. Helloooooo, eBay.

"But what was the best thing, Ferrett?" you ask. Well, it wasn't that Scott had a fresh copy of his latest Zot! reprint collection, and it wasn't that he gave it to me for free and then signed it for me. I thanked Neil a thousand times for giving me that opportunity to not just have a signed book, but a gift from Scott McCloud.

No, the best thing was that my wife called at the beginning of the lecture, and I hit the phone to mute the incoming call. But I hit the wrong button, I accidentally picked up. So Gini listened to most of Scott McCloud's lecture, so fascinated she was willing to deal with the poor sound she could hear from inside my pants pocket. (She later pinged me on GChat to tell me what she was doing, and I put the phone in a better location.)

"Is Clarion like that?" she asked later. She'd just been given a little window into our world, and was amazed.

"Yeah, pretty much," I said.

"Wow," she said, and for a moment, thanks to a magical coincidence, we had shared worlds. And it felt like I was not just a part of Scott McCloud's family, but he'd brought mine to me as well.

Thanks, Scott. Thanks, Neil.

Y'all are both great.

(Tell me I'm full of it)

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From:[info]badlittlemonkey
Date:July 28th, 2008 02:48 pm (UTC)
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To this point, reading your posts on Clarion made me think "Hey, that's really neat! How cool that Ferrett's got the opportunity to be part of this amazing learning experience." But I was never jealous.

Now... now I'm jealous. Wow.
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From:[info]badlydrawnjeff
Date:July 28th, 2008 02:56 pm (UTC)
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I was thinking the exact same thing. I went from "so cool" to "wow, what a crazy experience" here.
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From:[info]nosmokegirl
Date:July 28th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
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ditto
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From:[info]mmseason
Date:July 29th, 2008 03:57 pm (UTC)

love your Profound Wise Proverb

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Your pic says something i've trying to say, for a while - love it when that happens, the idea's been with you then someone pops up with the words. Thanx! 80)

And thanx, Ferrett, i feel i was there with you all. Unlike others i'm not *terribly* jealous cos: A. i was already envious of the whole Clarion thing - beyond my reach for sooo many reasons - so this isn't much of a step further; plus B. i only like comics, don't luurve n live n breathe them, so i can just about cope with missing this. What i'm really thirsty for is being in the company of people who think and enjoy thinking and bounce their thinking off each other, which is in my past and (i'm determined) my future, not my present. Thanx for taking us along to that evening.
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From:[info]badlittlemonkey
Date:July 30th, 2008 01:44 am (UTC)

Re: love your Profound Wise Proverb

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Your pic says something i've trying to say, for a while - love it when that happens, the idea's been with you then someone pops up with the words. Thanx!

You're welcome! I totally stole it from the excellent [info]weegoddess, so please feel free to steal it yourself. :)
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From:[info]mmseason
Date:July 30th, 2008 11:26 am (UTC)

Re: love your Profound Wise Proverb

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might just do that ;0)
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From:[info]wyrrlen
Date:July 28th, 2008 02:59 pm (UTC)
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What a great story to get my day going. If you don't have kismet, you and Gini assuredly have serendipity.
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From:[info]nex0s
Date:July 28th, 2008 03:08 pm (UTC)
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OMG! Scott McCloud?! So jealous envious!!! :)

I have formulated a whole set of theories about landscape (i'm a landscape architect) and modes of drawing, that has been heavily influenced by him.

WOW! Scott McCloud!!!

N.

Edited at 2008-07-28 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From:[info]ona_tangent
Date:July 28th, 2008 03:11 pm (UTC)
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So cool! NOW I'm jealous. Neil Gaiman is cool, but Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics helped me to, you know, understand comics.
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From:[info]scarfman
Date:July 28th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
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You fink, you didn't tell us where you fall on McCloud's chart.

When David Morgan-Mar wrote about McCloud's classifications I decided I was a Classicist. Reading your summarization of the classes before I reviewed my previous conclusion, I decided I'm an Iconoclast. Maybe I'm an Iconoclassicist. Which category is for someone who just wants to make people laugh?

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From:[info]jcfiala
Date:July 28th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
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Scott McCloud? Squee!

I drove an hour through Denver Traffic to get a book signed by him on his 50 state tour. The store was *packed*.

Recently, I went by the same store, and picked up the new Zot! Collection.
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From:[info]kisekinotenshi
Date:July 28th, 2008 04:00 pm (UTC)

Squee!

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You have one of the coolest lives of anyone I've ever heard of. I aspire to have as much cool in my life as you do one day.

I think I may have to discuss what category I fit into with the two people who've read my writing. XD
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From:[info]gkingsley
Date:July 28th, 2008 04:12 pm (UTC)
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I'm becoming more and more envious of your Clarion experience with every post. :) Someday I hope to be a good enough writer, and to have a lifestyle which would allow for that much time off, to be able to do something even half as cool.

Please keep up with the posts - I'm living vicariously through you!
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From:[info]cyan_blue
Date:July 28th, 2008 04:19 pm (UTC)
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Very cool! In so many ways :-)
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From:[info]sig_info
Date:July 28th, 2008 04:28 pm (UTC)
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The "Earth Stories" are finally back in print? Yay! It's off to the store for me.

p.s. Ferrett, you do realize that by meeting Neil Gaiman and Scott McCloud your average degree of separation has taken a dramatic nosedive?
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From:[info]wordswoman
Date:July 28th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
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Dang, I wish Scott McCloud and Neil Gaiman would talk to me through MY husband's pants...

Um. That is perhaps a sentence best never read out of context.
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From:[info]misterflames
Date:July 29th, 2008 05:50 am (UTC)

We will test this theory.

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I just sent it to my lady love, who will get it in the morning when she awakens. If I'm really lucky, I won't remember the sauce either. Glee!
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From:[info]misterflames
Date:July 29th, 2008 01:33 pm (UTC)

Re: We will test this theory.

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Sue: "Like most all comments that come out of the blue, yes."
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From:[info]tsgeisel
Date:July 28th, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
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What they said. Much envy and much desire to visit my local comic store and pick up the Earth Story reprints. And whichever other ones I can find...
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Date:July 28th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)

Thanks so much ferrett!

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This gem is PRICELESS. Thank you for taking the time to write this down, and of course, write it so well.

I've never, EVER, read anyone's livejournal entry while holding my breath.

This was that entry. Thank you SOOO much for sharing!
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From:[info]s00j
Date:July 28th, 2008 07:32 pm (UTC)
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:D
so awesome.
now, if i can just sing to all of you next time you're in the same room together...Gini, too, in person even.
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From:[info]oletheros
Date:July 28th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
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did dave mckean happen to mention a guy who had him sign his arm for tattooing purposes at his art opening in los angeles?
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From:[info]the_iron_troll
Date:July 29th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
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Errr.

Wouldn't Harvey Pekar be a Formalist/Iconoclast?
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From:[info]soleta_nf
Date:July 29th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
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As someone else who thinks Neil Gaiman is awesome but adores Scott McCloud, I am very impressed. That sounds like a fabulous experience. Him and his family sound adorable. :)
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From:[info]bonerici
Date:July 29th, 2008 02:20 am (UTC)
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i think you're the only person in the world who would write fankakke as a love story between a comic book writer and his wife. I still think that's your strength by the way, love stories.
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From:[info]pretentiousfool
Date:July 29th, 2008 06:48 am (UTC)
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I hate you because I want to be you. You are living the dream, my good man.
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From:[info]montykins
Date:July 29th, 2008 06:28 pm (UTC)
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I like Scott McCloud's model, but I think it's important to remember that it's not "the" model. It's a useful paradigm, but it's possible to classify authors in other ways, along other axes.

I get edgy when I see someone thinking along the lines of "every plot is X, and there are only Y number of things that can happen". There are thousands of exceptions to any rule like that, and it becomes tempting to dismiss them with "Well, that's not really a plot, then."

I guess my point is that models like that are productive (and fun!) but not when they become exclusive.
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From:[info]theferrett
Date:July 29th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
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As Neil said, "The model itself may be absolutely useless in the long run, but it's a lot of fun to figure out where people go on it." And I agree. I think it's an interesting way to subdivide your particular interest, but it's not an absolute.
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From:[info]grenacia
Date:July 29th, 2008 07:07 pm (UTC)
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That is so cool! I've been squeeing over "Earth Stories" finally being reprinted!
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From:[info]amurana
Date:August 3rd, 2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
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I know you've been crazy busy through all this so I've been working really hard on not commenting on everything. But damn. Yay to be you!
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From:[info]l33tminion
Date:December 10th, 2008 02:43 pm (UTC)
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Animists = Life imitates art
Classisicts = Art imitates art
Iconoclasts = Art imitates life
Formalists = Art imitates?

(I really need to read Making Comics.)
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