"The Incredibles", no question, although Pixar has yet to put out a genuine stinker.

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Cars is close.

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That second question is pretty damned tough, since since not every classic Disney film is better than every Pixar film, or vice versa.

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I know.

I like 'em tough.

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You can't compare Pixar to early Disney.

They're totally different art forms, aimed at different audiences.

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I can! And did! See? There's even a poll!

Next up: Apples to lumber trucks.

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The incredibles & Pixar all the way.

Disney classics were alright when that's all there was. Pixar has brought me the eye-gasms. How could I ever go back to The Little Mermaid seven and a half or whatever number they're on now.

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My depression hits in spring, sadly this year it's done it as I was having a rough patch at work to go with a rough relationship patch and now I'm having total crap from my boss ... still I think the thing about Classic Disney is the songs, there are no songs in The Incredibles (though I agree it is one of the great films of all time!)

And while there are a few memorable ones in the modern Disney Classics, the older songs are still fantastic.

Obviously animation has progressed (though the old artists had a skill and style it's hard to replicate!) ... Pixar do great contemporary stories, but comparing A Bug's Life with, say, Bambi or Fantasia, well, I'd choose the classic Disney I'm afraid :-)

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If you're doped out, you might want to check with your wife before bidding on JFK's air guitar.

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BWAH HAH HAH.

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I absolutely couldn't stand The Incredibles. I know I'm totally in the minority, but I just didn't like it.

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Hmm.

Now I eye you suspiciously.

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The biggest problem I have with flat saying "Pixar is the best" is that every single one of their films has the same feel and look...
That is- they are all clearly done on computers, and they ALL have that slightly plastic feel, and they all move the same way. The characters could be churned out by factories across the planet as toys within minutes of their creation... (And often ARE!)
Whereas the classic Disney stuff changes from group to group of animators and artists. "The Sword in the Stone" had a very different 'Feel' from "Snow White", and "101 Dalmatians" was different from either of those.
Pixar has a look and feel that instantly and automatically says "THIS IS PIXAR, AND IT WILL BE DONE THIS WAY", there's no sudden change in the lighting or the movement or the style that makes you suddenly feel differently about the characters or the situation being portrayed.

Example- The Forest in Snow White, One minute- cheerful and bright and a pleasant day. THEN- Snow realizes that she must flee, and all that was cheerful before is now threatening. The lighting and the whole attitude changes and suddenly the Forest itself is out to GET her, limbs reach to grab, roots to trip, and eyes glare menacingly from hollows. I sincerely do not think they could pull off that same change within the plastic world of Pixar.

But that's just my two cents worth... :D

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It's a fair cop. The individuality of the animation was much more visible in those days. And it was nice to see more experimentation in style.

But considering I'm a story guy, Pixar has much stronger stories, and that's what seals it to me. Even as early Disney is ALL over the map as they try to figure out what works.

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Toy Story is always my favorite (followed closely by Monsters Inc and A Bug's Life and Toy Story 2...) because it was so novel and absorbing. It was the last movie I saw at that believing threshold of adolescence...where I really went home and thought my toys might move when I left the room.

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You mean... they don't? O_O -_- O_O

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On the first question, I hesitated but went with Ratatouille. On any numerical rating system I'd place it and The Incredibles within a few tenths of a percentage points of eachother, and today the balance falls to the rat.

On the second question, since you excluded post-little mermaid stuff, I have to go Pixar all the way.

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Nemo FTW!

"To the top of Mount Wanna-hock-a-loogie."

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NEmo is my absolute favorite movie of all time. i have litterally seen it over a hundred times.

and i don't care how weird that makes me!

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I honestly don't see what was so great about The Incredibles. I saw it a long time ago but I don't really remember much at all except for Sarah Vowell doing one of the voices.

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Holly Hunter as one of the other voices. Mmm....

I feel obliged to also point out that if you get The Incredibles DVD, one of the special features is a Sarah Vowell piece, with her live, not just doing a voice.

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GO SEE HORTON HEARS A WHO

Seriously, most enjoyable animated movie I've seen since the Incredibles. Very Funny and upbeat.

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Hmm. I'd heard good things about it, your recommendation seals the deal.

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For my money, Nemo was sooooo not as good as Toy Story 2.
Not even same ballpark.
And while I liked The Incredibles, I still like both Toy Story movies significantly more.
Of course, us have 2 kids who grew up on the Toy Story movies, and the associated repeated watchings thereof, probably has a lot to do with my bias.

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Incredibles wins the first question, hands down. I think that Finding Nemo comes a close second. I have yet to see Ratattatt.. er.. the cooking rat movie. I hear it's really good, though.

For the second question... I voted Pixar, but that's with qualifiers. Disney's repetoire pre-Little Mermaid spans 40 years. Pixar's hasn't even hit 15 yet. There is some amazing, classic animation in the Disney library that surpasses what Pixar has done. BUT, when taken each work as a whole, I think Pixar has had more hits than it's had misses. Disney has to contend with the down period of the 70's and 80's. They floundered for two whole decades before coming out with Little Mermaid.

As someone else said, take everything on a movie for movie basis, and you're going to have some Disney classics outranking Pixar films. But Pixar as a whole has a very strong library.

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I've long been an anti-Disney person actually. I find them very dull, midwestern, and reactionary.

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Mmmm, the Disney Classics never really did it for me. I liked other stuff a lot more when I was a kid. So it went to Pixar.

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I picked Toy Story 2 because I remember how much I absolutely WEPT watching that movie when I didn't think it would touch me at all, being a cartoon sequel.

I have to give Cars an honorable mention because I don't like racing or cars at all, and that movie made me care.

Pixar rocks.

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Toy Story 2 is possibly the second-greatest sequel of all time. Over Godfather 2. Really.

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Pixar by a mile. Same result if you pit Pixar against Dreamworks.

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Nobody beats Don Bluth for me, sorry.

However I have a younger brother, so the Pixar movies have been beaten into my head. I can recite Toy Story pretty flawlessly, and if somebody gets me started on Toy Story 2 I can definitely finish.

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The Incredibles is an awesomely brilliant move, but it doesn't move me to tears the way Monsters Inc does.
So I voted Pixar, because of those two, but Disney has done some awesome movies too, like Aristocats and Beauty and the Beast...
Touch call man!

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Would a picture of a kitten help?



This is Loki, he's 7 weeks old and likes to sleep on my head.

And for kicks and giggles, check out the 7 weirdest mythical creatures in the world.

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Yay kitten!

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Pixar is the triumph it is by being truer to the Disney ideal than Disney itself came to be. Perhaps a most telling sign of what to expect from Pixar in the future will be the change from what American Dog originally started out as and what it is being changed into to release as "Bolt".

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On a different tack I'll share with you what cemented my opinion that Pixar as a *company* deserves sainthood:

My own experience with Pixar...

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The only way "Pixar vs. Classic Disney" makes sense is if you're ignoring the influence of the early Disney films, right? I mean, everyone said Walt was crazy to make a full-length animated feature, so without Snow White, you don't get any of the animated films to come.

So, just comparing how much I enjoyed each one...I have to go with Disney. There are only five Pixar movies* I really love (a ridiculously high percentage of their output, but still low in raw numbers) and frankly, I think I'd rather watch the Disney Robin Hood than any of them.


(*: Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Ratatouille)

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I don't necessarily count influence. After all, the Beatles would never have existed without Elvis, but does that mean that we can't compare their music? Heck, we could trace much of today's films back to "Birth of a Nation," but that doesn't mean that somehow, there haven't been better movies on that.

That said, I'm not a big fan of early Disney. Though I probably should watch Robin Hood again.

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A bit of sedimentary muck decided to lodge itself into my right kidney's ureter, so I am also doped up as a defense against excessive pain.

Vicodin gave me an intense love of mankind last night. I wanted to hug everyone and tell them how wonderful they were.

So hi to everyone who bothers to read this comment. You are a most excellent being who is worthy of all the goodness that life can offer you. I wish you warm cuddles in the morning, sunshine in the afternoons, meaningful occupations, attentive loved ones, delicious food, clean sheets, and funny lolcats.

:)

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That's generically sweet.

Happy doping!

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