The Ferrett ([info]theferrett) wrote,
@ 2008-03-22 15:32:00
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Just To Clarify My Stance
I'm not against protesting. You guys wanna protest? Go right ahead.

But whatever protest you do should be effective. A protest that doesn't work just makes you look weaker in the long run. I disagree with the idea that "doing something" is always better than "doing nothing," since planning and implementation counts heavily in my book (as perhaps may be illustrated by the fifth anniversary of the Iraq War, which also occured on Friday).

As many pointed out, not posting on LJ means that the company actually saves money and makes it easier for them, because they now have lowered bandwidth costs and servers with spare capacity. Furthermore, as I noted, it's quite possible that you'd miss the blip because, well, you probably don't post daily like I do. The folks behind the LJ Blackout looked at it not from the perspective of "What would really hurt the company?" but rather, "What would I hate to see happen?" The folks at LJ, by and large, don't care what you post as long as it's not illegal.

However, the [info]statements community (as well as a few others) turned the idea on its head: What if we posted a lot? They were trying to get to 9,000 posts, and they ended up at an astonishing 11,511. Posting a lot is impossible to miss, since even one guy can consume a disproportionate share of server resources, and especially if people comment and wind up sending emails everywhere. And as opposed to a negative, this is a positive that everyone can see quickly.

Admittedly, 11,511 posts isn't a drop in the bucket compared to the huge majority of LJ. (EDIT: And maybe I'm wrong on that - the current stats show 4,792 posts per hour, but I'm not 100% sure if that counts communities.) But if everyone in the LJ Strike had decided to post, say, fifty posts that day - which would also disrupt people's friends' lists and make it impossible for them to ignore the issue - it would have much more of a disrupting effect. (It might also land you with the banhammer, admittedly, but you pays your money and you takes your chances. If you wanna play it safe with your pals and not annoy them with your politics, well then create paid communities to post in.) And if you'd all agreed to auto-refresh your friends' pages every thirty seconds, creating a Firefox plugin to do it so they'd have much more bandwidth used that day, then that might be even better still.

(Though how close that is to a DDOS attack is worth questioning - there are some places I'm not sure I'd be comfortable going, hence the "might.")

If everybody for the LJ Blackout had instead decided to post seventy billion things, I'd probably have been a lot more for it. I'd still think you were intensely silly for getting bent out of shape because they're not giving you everything for free, but at least it would be a form of protest that had a much better chance of actually inconveniencing the people whose attention you want to get. That, I could get behind on some level.

But we shall see. They might try as best they can within the realms of profitability to listen to you anyway, which would be nice. (Their communication on these issues? Sucked ass.) We can all hope for that, just as I hope y'all can come to an understanding that "staying profitable" is an end that LJ not only can, but should, pursue.

(Also, sorry I posted on the day, not before, but I was busy on Thursday and had friends over last night. Not the best timing, but current events do not always sync with the post time of a weasel.)


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[info]fax_celestis
2008-03-22 07:44 pm UTC (link)
That is arguably close to a DDoS attack, so it's not something I'd be comfortable with. But you're right: at least it'd be effective.

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[info]theferrett
2008-03-22 07:45 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, it's that gray area and I'm not sure I'd be down with it. (Having been the target of a handful of them myself.) But it would get their attention.

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[info]fax_celestis
2008-03-22 07:48 pm UTC (link)
You know, as an aside, something I noticed about this protest is that no one within it seemed to understand the "speak softly and carry a big stick" principle. It was more "speak loudly up until the event then shut the hell up and carry a funnoodle."

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[info]theferret
2008-03-23 03:19 am UTC (link)
That sounds like an accurate description.

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[info]merle_
2008-03-22 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Dude, I like the way you and that community think. I was actually tempted during this boycott to set something up to autopost something like "return the free accounts!" every minute, and delete said posts after thirty seconds. Refreshing the friends list (or a bunch of journals) several times a minute would have been interesting, too. (it's built into Opera already)

The only reason I didn't was that others seemed to care about not posting, and, well, I was really busy that day anyway.

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[info]jfargo
2008-03-22 07:51 pm UTC (link)
I didn't really participate in the boycott, even if I didn't post, but I want to point out that it's not about the fact (at least for me) that they aren't giving stuff away for free. I couldn't care less about that.

What I don't like is the way they tried to sneak it in until someone called them on it and they were like "Oh, yeah, well, we thought you wouldn't notice."

Not that this boycott actually centered on that since one of their proposed goals was to get back basic accounts, which is whiny, I think.

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[info]28bytes
2008-03-22 11:46 pm UTC (link)
What I don't like is the way they tried to sneak it in until someone called them on it and they were like "Oh, yeah, well, we thought you wouldn't notice."

Seconding that. It amazes me how many people just don't give a shit that a company they pay money to1 actively lies to them. Is honesty really too much to ask for in a vendor these days?

1 Well, some people pay. I pay.

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[info]jfargo
2008-03-23 12:43 am UTC (link)
I don't pay, which is why I'm sort of neutral on the whole thing. I figure I'm just here to chat with friends and talk about life. It's nice they put it together so nicely for me, and I want to see them succeed.

But unscrupulous business practices don't fly, even when I'm not paying. It's not to the point where I'm going to leave any time soon, but as most of my readers know, I've already started going elsewhere for a few things.

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[info]theferrett
2008-03-23 02:50 am UTC (link)
Well, the problem from a business perspective is that it can't be publicized. Some people are like, "They should have given us advance warning!" and my response would be, "For what? So you can create a ton of basic accounts in advance and undercut the very reason they're doing it?" The method wasn't great, and I think they chose poorly, but even their best options were going to be viewed as scummy.

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[info]intelligentrix
2008-03-22 08:05 pm UTC (link)
I actually have a friend who posted about ten or fifteen music videos, as well as a bunch of cell-phone pictures on the day in question. I accused him of trying to make up for all the boycotters, but he denied it. Heh.

Personally, I'm not all bent out of shape. The line for me would be requiring a paid account to read journals. If they cross that line, I'm gone. Every site I've ever tried that required you to buy a membership in order to respond to someone or see certain content has lost me as a potential customer. If SUP ever decided on that business model, I think the whole house of cards would come down.

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[info]fax_celestis
2008-03-22 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I get the feeling there'd be a mass exodus if they started requiring paid accounts.

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[info]bandersnitch
2008-03-22 08:25 pm UTC (link)
I found it interesting that most people who used the "Its better to do something than nothing" method of protesting, when in actuality their blackout consisted of...doing nothing.

When you mentioned some of the suitable alternatives that would be effective, I figured just how unlikely it would be to get people to do that considering the effort it takes.

The blackout took no effort at all. And likely was noticed, only long enough for them to say "oh well" and carry on with life.

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[info]lcd_cow
2008-03-24 06:10 am UTC (link)
To play Devil's Advocate for a second:

If I were in charge of LJ, and every time I made a change, a bunch of people randomly bitched about it, I probably wouldn't have taken much notice of this most recent incident; after all, some people will always bitch when change happens.

However, if people actually got together and organized their bitching--even if all they did was organize a campaign to include the word "haberdashery" in every post for one day as a means of protest--I'd notice that they put in the effort to organize. Bitching is one thing, but organized bitching takes complaining to the next level.

True, it doesn't take it to the level where you're like "holy shit, I better not do that EVER EVER AGAIN," as would theoretically be the goal of any organized protest, but I think the blackout did still accomplish something--even if only something minor.

At least the next time the LJ crew gets together to talk about how to release some info on a change, they'll be like "Well, remember last time, when people complained so much they actually got a protest going? We should probably do things differently this time," instead of "Well, last time all we got was the usual slew of random complaints from people who don't like change, so we can probably just repeat what we did then."

My two cents.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-24 01:07 pm UTC (link)
To address your point, if the "effort" of the blackout was to make them take notice and reconsider how they release their news bits, keep in mind that BEFORE the blackout SUP was already admitting the way they delivered the news was inconsiderate and stated that they would be more diplomatic in the future.

If the online reaction was already noted and the owners took note then the Blackout was ineffective and unnecessary.

Just sayin.

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[info]chili_das_schaf
2008-03-22 08:30 pm UTC (link)

If everybody for the LJ Blackout had instead decided to post seventy billion things, I'd probably have been a lot more for it.


Also it would have been so much more fun! Yes, I'm shallow like that ;)

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[info]scarfman
2008-03-22 08:51 pm UTC (link)

What if we posted a lot?

That make a whole lot more sense. Why couldn't you have repeated that in your first essay?

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-22 09:26 pm UTC (link)
Because I didn't know about it at the time I wrote it?

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[info]scarfman
2008-03-23 02:44 am UTC (link)

That's what I thought. Bugger.

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[info]theferrett
2008-03-23 02:49 am UTC (link)
Brilliant idea, really. But by the time I got my hands on it, the "strike" was all but over anyway, and the people on it wouldn't have seen it.

Ah well.

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[info]heldc
2008-03-22 10:41 pm UTC (link)
No need to write a plug in to refresh the page, one exists, reload every. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/115
Also, quite a few of us were bent out of shape not because we're 'not getting everything for free' but because of the popular interests filtering, and really horrible keyword based ads, that we see as signs LJ might be going really bad places, places that involve censorship. Might not, hopefully not, but might.

Edited at 2008-03-22 10:44 pm UTC

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[info]theferrett
2008-03-23 02:48 am UTC (link)
I shoulda figured a plugin existed.

That said, if your protesting is so scattered that it covers three or four separate grievances, then it's probably not focused enough to get their attention, either. (And I did mention the censorship in yesterday's post, which I took seriously.)

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[info]heldc
2008-03-23 04:02 am UTC (link)
Ah, yeah, I've been reading so much stuff about it I'm forgetting who is aware of which issues.

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[info]jenk
2008-03-22 11:27 pm UTC (link)
One of the tales I've heard of the Montegomery Bus Boycott was that originally it was to be for a day, just to show that the black community could come together to protest. Then Martin Luther King Jr announced that the boycott would continue until the bus company made changes. The other leaders were not happy, but King pointed out that a) the media was announcing they'd continue so if they didn't they'd look dumb and b) 1 day wouldn't hurt the bus company's bottom line - months would.

Of course I didn't participate in either boycott, so this is worth about what it cost you to read it.

Edited at 2008-03-22 11:28 pm UTC

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[info]theferrett
2008-03-23 02:48 am UTC (link)
Hmm. Now I wonder whether that's true. There's an MLK bio I've been meaning to read.

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[info]apocalypse_0
2008-03-23 01:30 am UTC (link)
50 posts in one day?

No fuckin' way.

That's *work*.

Much easier to sit on one's ass and do nothing.

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[info]mysterg
2008-03-23 01:34 am UTC (link)
Did I miss something? Yeah, I did, I think...? Anyway, protest can be effective if it is, as stated, properly formatted. Thing is, with things like the "Anonymous VS Scientology" thing, where the web is being used as a weapon by both parties, and the past political protests where people get gassed, shot and water-cannoned, protesting takes on a whole new level. That's why I believe in peaceful protest...using herds of cattle stampeded through the Vatican.

I know...kinky;)

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[info]soleta_nf
2008-03-24 12:18 am UTC (link)
Frankly, I don't see how this is terribly different than the old strategy of spamming [info]news posts (though granted it's probably a bit classier).

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