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Attitudes and Adjustments
My friend was slapped and beaten a lot as a child. She had a mother with a temper and a nasty brother who was borderline sadistic, so she spent a lot of time getting the crap pounded out of her. Which wasn’t at all fair.
She soon learned that in the presence of her family, to speak truth was to invite another hard, cold whack to her cheeks, and possibly something even more painful from her brother later on. Her family wasn’t looking to help her; in fact, at times it seemed as though they were constantly probing her for weaknesses, and a speck of honesty would only be neatly filed away to be used against her later.
She learned, pretty quickly, to lie. And lie well. If she was angry, larger people would punish her for daring to be upset, so she learned to stuff all that down and force a smile to her face. If she wanted something, all honesty would get her was at best a lecture and at worst a pounding and then constant taunting from her brother, who would rub salt in her wounds because she’d been so dumb to ask for a stupid thing – so she learned to sneak around the edges.
You didn’t ask. You just quietly did things in the margins and hoped that folks didn’t notice.
Thankfully, my pal got out of that family, and actually made something of herself. She went to college, got herself a decent job, then found a pretty good husband.
At which point things began to fall apart.
The survival tactics she’d learned in her mother’s house kept her alive as a child, but as a grownup they were tearing her apart. It was a most excellent thing to lie about your feelings all the time when you were trapped, powerlessly, by a woman who could punish you at will – but when you were married to a man who was actually concerned for your well-being, keeping your emotions hidden meant that he couldn’t actually do anything for you.
She had the life she wanted at last. But because she was always smiling and nodding at whatever her husband did no matter what she thought of it, her new partner came to believe that everything he did made her happy. That’s rarely a good situation.
Then the troubles started. She wasn’t happy, and wasn’t expressing it. And of course, as she’d been trained, when you’re not happy and you want something the first thing you do is to avoid telling anyone at all costs. She soon discovered that buying things made her happy, and so she went out on gigantic shopping expeditions, then burned the credit card bills so he wouldn’t be able to yell at her. She ran up tens of thousands of dollars in debt, had secret drawers full of fine clothes that she didn’t dare to share with her husband.
She was anxious all the time because she had to not let him know what was going on, and yet couldn’t fix it. In the process of trying to calm down, she became addicted to painkillers.
She still wasn’t happy. Now she was in debt and on drugs, with a husband who’d been lead to believe that he was doing a great job, barely keeping the lid on a cauldron of secrets.
Thanks in part to her own habits, she had escaped one hell with a phenomenal intelligence and a fine force of will…. Only to land straight in another.
My friend eventually straightened herself up, but the interesting lesson here is that the things you need to learn to thrive in one lifestyle can be the exact same traits that ruin your next lifestyle. Life’s a mutable thing, changing all the time, and there’s not a single lesson that applies everywhere.
Sometimes, one survival trait even cuts off a larger issue. In response to my post on possible bad habits among the poor, Mattador said, “these beliefs and attitudes didn't grow out of nowhere. They're directly related to the circumstances these people (including me) grew up in, and they're useful attitudes, even survival mechanisms. I'm learning to cope with them and work around them myself, but if I had never had them, there are times in the past that stress would have pretty literally driven me insane.”
I don’t doubt that. Living poor is hard, and it probably causes a lot of ingrained coping skills. It’s entirely understandable. But that doesn’t mean those habits are necessarily good in the long run, or any habits learned in a time of trauma are necessarily helpful later on.
I had a terrible middle school experience where I was isolated and occasionally beaten by my schoolmates. It was a traumatic, lonely time, but the thing I have to remember is that it’s over. Even so, there are still times I react as though I was a greasy-haired misfit with no friends and a world tilted against him… And generally, when I do react that way, it’s to my detriment.
A bulldozer’s an awesome tool if you’re looking to build a house on new ground. It is, unfortunately, a pretty terrible tool if you want to maintain a house, and the lesson here is that sometimes, for your own survival in a new and better place, you must unlearn the things you learned so well and take on a new rules set.
Look around you. It’s entirely possible that your environment has changed, and for the better. If you’re lucky, it might be time to let go of a few old tools.
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![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/61912977/810751) | | From: | jfargo |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 03:20 pm (UTC) |
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And don't forget to pick up a few new tools when letting go of the old ones.
Sometimes you have to let go of people, too.
Just last week, I was discussing an issue that is common in my friend group with some people. Most of my friend group is made up of people who were picked on a lot as children (not me, I had the classic early-developing girl thing of people treating me like shit until highschool, at which point things changed big time). Many people in my friend group, therefore, will react immediately as if people dislike them or people are against them. That is, very often, the default assumption if say, someone misses a get-together.
I'm like a lot of people in your group of friends. I was not very popular in high school. I wasn't unpopular or bullied ruthlessly but I was left alone. So when I got to college, I needed to learn lots of social skills very quickly. Stuff that most people learn sometime in middle school.
It has been ten years since I graduated from high school and started college but I'm still suffering from those wounds. Most people in grad school really like me and I impress the older people I work with but I make the same assumptions your friends make. I'm very good with returning calls and e-mails but many of my friends are very bad with that kind of stuff. They always get back to me but getting turned down for dinner or hanging out makes me wonder if I did something to anger them.
I grew up in a household not too dissimilar to your friends; to say, like prey. After over 1/3 of my life in therapy learning how to react like a human instead of a abused animal, this is a lesson I realize that I need to keep learning this lesson over and over again. For me at least, this will likely never be an automatic or internalized thing.
[Deep f'ing sigh]
You know this is basically the exact same thing Jared Diamond describes, on a societal level, in Collapse? The parallels are interesting.
I'm not sure I follow the similarity - can you say a little more about that? I thought Collapse was interesting (if exceptionally depressing), but I thought he was getting more at the "tragedy of the commons," type of problem.
I've spent the last few years evaluating my toolkit and getting rid of that sort of thing.... difficult, but Worth It.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/61912977/810751) | | From: | jfargo |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 05:19 pm (UTC) |
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Personally I think that the important thing to realize is that it's more than just evaluating what tools you have in the kit - it's a continual growing process. Not just getting rid of the childhood tools that served you well, but maybe you picked up a tool just last year that works more as a hammer now when what you really need is a screwdriver.
It's continual. *shrugs* That's all I'm trying to say, without dressing it up all fancy-like.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/339930/17081) | | From: | plinko |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 04:02 pm (UTC) |
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. The habits I learned as survival tools as a child plague my adult life. I spent an inordinate amount of time -alone- as a child, and so I learned to almost completely kill my sense of need for other people. I can no longer really experience "loneliness", which sounds great...but pretty much makes me forget to interact with other people.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/90654620/13959631) | | From: | bozobrain |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC) |
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Me too, Plinko. I relate to you in that I was picked on a lot as a child and never learned to stand up for myself. As a result, I was alone a lot and never developed social skills. Now, like you, sometimes I forget how to interact with other people. It's like a game to me. Play by the rules so no one thinks you're a whackjob. I find myself not needing other people. My fault is that I like being alone. I don't have to deal with rude people or take care of anyone.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/79330272/1238604) | | From: | teriel |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC) |
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Coming from a very similar background as your friend, I really empathize with this story.
I'have and am undoing a lot of behaviors that worked in the past, but in the present have hurt myself and others. It isn't easy, and sometimes opening up to someone goes against everythign I feel I should be doing, but I'm learning to really trust myself and others for the first time in my life.
Thanks for posting this. It gives me hope for myself.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/44977654/1050751) | | From: | norda |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC) |
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I'm going to have Crystal, our semi-daughter, read this. You cover many of the points we try to make to her every day.
You could be writing about me. Well, except the addiction to pain pills part. I like pain pills, but I've always been too cheap to indulge more than once in a great while.
But it's me. And ME has wrought all sorts of problems in our marriage. Oh, my husband has done his own ample share of fucking things up. The onus isn't just on me. But how I learned to deal with things as a child and teenager has kept us from getting truly close as adults.
He gets angry. Angry at my past, angry at my instincts and angry at me because it doesn't change. But sometimes finding new tools isn't as easy as it sounds. Especially when it just keeps happening.
Unlearning is something that's going to be necessary for our relationship to stand the long haul, but it's something that I've never been able to figure out how to start doing.
I generally agree with you here.
But, you can't just "let go" of a few old tools. It can take years. For example, your friend would have to get a(nother) job and pay off the debts plus break her addiction to painkillers plus go through probably two or more years of therapy to be able to let go of her tools. I'd give her five years, maybe more, until she was on track.
The problem is, while people should definitely take those steps toward letting go of old tools, it can take those five years. And what do you do in the meantime? What if her husband finds all this out and can't take feeling the way he'd probably end up feeling? These are rhetorical questions, but enough to illustrate the complexity of the situation. If a person is lucky enough to be able to set up a situation where s/he has support to make these changes, they still have to be made, and that is extremely difficult, lonely, and wrenching work. It can't just be simply done.
You are telling me "It is difficult."
I am saying "It needs to be done." The two statements are not mutually exclusive.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/52038793/1204851) | | From: | zissue |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 05:40 pm (UTC) |
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It's true. The human brain's ability to develop what it considers "survival skills" on the fly is astounding, and useful under extreme situations for sure. But most of us don't live in caves or have to run from sabretooth tigers these days . . . and we have to learn to let go of these so-called survival skills when they no longer serve us, if in fact they ever really did. I mean, really, our personal happiness was never their goal anyways. All our brains are programmed to care about when teaching us these automatic responses is that we live long enough to reproduce and raise viable offspring. Our feelings and general satisfaction were never relevant.
At some point in your life as a human animal, you have to decide what mere survival, without any happiness, is really worth to you. And then you take a risk, because you -do- want more than just to stay alive, and it turns out that just like most people you're stronger than you thought, and whee! Change happens. And you grow, and you leave behind some of your maladaptive strategies, and you replace them with more efficient modern ones. It's good, or it has been for me anyways.
| From: | (Anonymous) |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 05:42 pm (UTC) |
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Another one here with a similar childhood experience to your friend... mine was a stepfather, so I had the "parent" and the "brother" kinda rolled up in one big drunken monster. It is very hard to let go of those coping mechanisms, and for me, even though I'm almost 40 now, I'm still discovering sore spots from time to time. It may never end, I guess.
I read a poem once in a recovery book I'll never forget. The gist of it is this: I was walking down a sidewalk, doing nothing wrong, and I fell into a big hole that I never even saw coming. It took me a long time to climb out of that hole. Later, I walked down the same sidewalk and fell into that hole again, because it was the only way I could see to get to the other side. Later, I walked down the same sidewalk, only now I tried to skirt around the edge to get to the other side. Eventually, I learned to take a different sidewalk...
These days I'm on a better sidewalk, most of the time. But occasionally, if I'm not paying attention, my feet will automatically carry me down that same old sidewalk... and I've got to ease my way around that same damn hole again.
Here's wishing better sidewalks for everyone...
-dalai_lala
Easier said than done, but I have to agree here.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/24670562/546324) | | From: | arturus |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 07:06 pm (UTC) |
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One of the things I've come to realize about my childhood is that I simply did not get social complexities. I thought I did, and I was a smart kid, so I got the ideas behind it, and by high school I knew the things that must be going on with my peers; but when it came to actually picking up on things, actually figuring out what was going on with specific people I couldn't do it. Didn't notice anything.
One of the effects of this was that I was a complete social outcast. Another was that I barely noticed this, and didn't care about what I did notice. I got picked on a little in middle school, but the kid who did it mostly just didn't get me at all, and gave up when I didn't respond to most of his attempts to bother me. My friends by high school, instead of the people at the real bottom of the social ladder, were the ones who found themselves completely outside of the social system one way or another, which was an interesting group of some people who chose to be there, people like me, and people who were socially clever enough to interact well with all groups.
And as a result, I got through middle and high school as a completely weird kid, without having to build up a defensive toolbox. I've been coming into my own gradually, really starting in late high school, and getting to a place where I could grok how truly strange this makes me. Now that I have, I have to say that I'm really rather happy about this state of affairs. I don't know who I'd be if things had been different.
| From: | dsgood |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC) |
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Adult Children Anonymous might be useful to some people here: http://adultchildren.orgBarbara Sher, I Could Do Anything: If I Only Knew What it Was
You know, this is a serious, well-thought out post, and I ought to have a sage observation or something to make here, but all I'm thinking is "hey cool, I got quoted!"
Heh. I was wondering whether you'd be pro or con.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/7859168/1391196) | | From: | siderea |
| Date: | January 7th, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC) |
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Well, said! (Mostly commenting, so I'll have a copy in my email. ;)
Interesting subject as I was just saying to someone the other day that I am sort of in a situation like this nowadays.
I tend to be very strong and absolute with my opinions in a way that can rub my friends & acquintances the wrong way. I'm stubborn, but not unchangeable - someone at college once aptly observed after several hours of debating various topics that I "will vigorously defend my beliefs, but never stop questioning if they are correct". But I realized not long ago at least a part of this is over the years I encountered enough people who if I expressed doubt or hesitation in my opinions, that meant I was ripe to have them ram their view of things down my throat. If I showed doubt, that meant I was wrong and they were right; they used it as an open invitation to try to proverbiably shaft me. It wasn't just peers - in writing classes in school, teachers would tell us never to use passive voice in writing. You didn't "think" or "believe" a point you were arguing because that was weak; you stated things as absolutes. Papers weren't written to suggest points; they were written to state percieved facts, beat up dummy counter arguements, and show that the topic of your essay was correct, period.
So along the way I learned to say some form of "That's crap" instead of "I don't like that" nearly all the time, even people who would respect my opinions.
It's too bad that some people are like sharks when it comes to perceiving others as 'weak'. To me, having some self-doubt can actually be a strength because it shows that you are thoughtful and are open to other ideas. It's too bad others can't see that.
In my own experience with people like that, I didn't find any way to 'win' with them. If you expressed yourself strongly and absolutely, then you're being an asshole. If you show yourself open to other ideas, then you're a wimpy waffler. This sucks because how people perceive you can mean whether you succeed, but I've just accepted that you can't do anything with some people.
I was extremely sensitive as a child, and bullies learned easily that it was easy to get a reaction by teasing me. I had to learn the principle of "don't let them know they're hurting you, and they'll get bored and stop".
Several years into my most recent relationship, my girlfriend suddenly decided that it would be hilarious to tease me, making me the butt of jokes, "humorously" criticizing everything I did. It took me entirely too long to let go of that habit of hiding my hurt, and communicate to her "look, when you do this to me, it makes me feel like you hate me, and it poisons the whole basis of our relationship, because I can't feel that you love me when all I'm hearing from you is all the flaws you see in me, all the reasons you don't and can't respect me." Maybe the relationship would have ended anyhow -- I mean, the fact that she reacted to my finally confronting her by trying to guilt-trip me about my not trusting her enough to know she was "only joking" was not a positive sign -- but I'll always wonder.
I so don't like people like her, where teasing that hurts is ok to them. I tell them they may be joking but the joke isn't funny so please stop. It isn't my job to find bad jokes funny. It has nothing to do with trust.
I had the same situation growing up but never was able to learn the "don't let them know" ability. My tool was to slowly get smaller and smaller until I was no longer there. I have gotten to the point where some friends can tease me at times but when a barb hits to close to home, I have learned to say something instead of just leaving the room/their lives.
Although one time, a friend answered the door at a party when I showed up with "attitude" and I turned and walked away intending on going home. She came after me, grabbed my arm giving me the line that she was only joking and putting the issue on me. I was in such a state I ended up throwing her against the wall with my forearm across her throat and told her to never ever treat me that way again. After things settled down, I was very ashamed that I reacted so strongly. I still think she was in the wrong but I don't feel I had control of my actions.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/43589795/981598) | | From: | draxar |
| Date: | January 8th, 2008 01:23 am (UTC) |
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I've been running into this recently. The main problem I get is that I know, theoretically, that I'm actually quite a good people person. I can read people, understand them, I can talk to large groups, I can be reasonably charasmatic and so forth.
But part of me still works from being one of the unpopular kids in school, hanging out with just the people I really knew and got on with, cause everyone else would be just teasing me. And that part keeps on surfacing in various situations. I think it's mostly when people I don't know well are paying a fair bit of attention to me - I can talk to a crowd as long as I'm telling them "Go that way", not "I have a dream" or something where they'll be showing direct interest in me and what I'm saying. Well, that's not true. I can do the latter, I just tend to pause rather more, lose the plot, and/or go red. Particularly the last of those three.
Which is annoying. I think, over time, my confidence is improving and I'm losing these habits. But it's still damn annoying at times, and since it's a reaction to those situations, and largely involuntary, I can't think of any real ways to 'train' myself out of it, rather than just waiting for it to slowly wear off.
So, what do you do when the tools are glued to your hands? Rip them off and grow new skin, or just let them slowly fall off as you shed your skin? And now I'm really mangling the metaphor, but hey.
That's very interesting, because I have the exact opposite problem, which I believe might be because of going into a performing profession. As I've gained more experience on stage, I've become much more comfortable with crowds of people I don't know, because I can equate them with an audience. I can also be comfortable with people I know pretty well, but with people I only know through school or am otherwise merely acquainted with but not close to (which is the largest group of people in my life, really), I almost never feel comfortable. They're too close to be an audience but not close enough to be a friend, so I think my brain just doesn't know what to do with them and I end up with a strange mixture of closed-off and overly open. I continue to be baffled on how to handle situations like that.
This completely ties in with the work I am doing with this thing called the Enneagram. It is a system that lets you recognize the old "survival" tools and what some good replacement tools would be.
And I think it relates a lot to your "How/what do you see" posts. A way of seeing is a tool. If you can change it, you can change what you opportunities you receive or take advantage of.
Good posts. I am saving them.
I completely agree with this. Luckily, I don't have anything like your friend's life, but the issues I have are as complex as the next person. Growing up with a distant father who always equated money with love and a mother who was always telling me I was special and gifted pretty much taught me that if I acted like a victim, I could manipulate people into doing what I wanted. It's such a deep-rooted instinct for me that I really don't realize I'm doing it 90% of the time, but when I do, I try hard to curb it. There are other things as well, but I think that's the biggest, unfortunately.
It is pretty hard to let go of old habits, but you weren't really debating the difficulty, just stating the necessity, which I agree with. There aren't that many things in life that are incredibly easy, so I don't think it's necessary to state stuff is hard all the time. If people don't realize that "this isn't easy" is written into the fine print, they must be pretty damn sheltered.
Nice post, well done.
It's funny how we carry things from a young age forward. Even funnier how hard it is to change.
So true.
My old, avoidant coping mechanisms are slowly but surely screwing up my life and my health.
I know I need therapy (among my issues, crushing anxiety attacks that could probably benefit from moderate medication).
I'm really afraid that when I start therapy and I start getting over this stuff, getting rid of the old destructive behavior constructs, I'm going to find is there really isn't anyone left behind them. If that makes sense.
I'm afraid of ditching the old ill-fitting crutches to find that I really *am* permanently broken, after all. |
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