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Let's Talk Marketing: Quality And Sales

A while back, I wrote about how marketing was usually a part of what makes a product good – and if something doesn’t sell well, chances are it wasn’t actually that good in the first place. This is extremely true for not-quite-ready-for-prime-time things like the electric car and the Apple Newton and other high-profile failures.

Ever since then, every time I’ve written about the profitability of a particular movie or product, I’ve gotten a comment along the lines of, “How does the success of this terrible movie/the failure of this good thing line up with your talk about marketing being a part of goodness?” So I thought I’d clarify.

First off, let’s get something clear:

Fans of any given thing are almost incapable of seeing the external flaws in that thing.

…Which is not to say that fans don’t bitch. Fans will complain endlessly that Band X’s latest album isn’t as good as Band X’s best album. That’s what fans do.

But a fan rarely sits down and says, “You know, despite the fact that this is their best CD ever, it’s still trippy prog-rock that’s remarkably puerile and hard to listen to.” And you’ll never hear a rabid fan of some marginal technology go, “Wow, this damn thing is so hard to use, I wonder why anyone even bothers.”

Fact is, most fans fall firmly into at least one of two camps:

The very thing that makes this item bad for most people is exactly what they love (overly-convoluted plotlines, unbelievable characters, endless tweedling and riffing on guitars), or;

They’re so in love with the good stuff that they’ll ignore all the bad stuff because OMG, CAN’T YOU SEE THE GOODNESS?

Hence, when someone tells you how utterly awesome something is, chances are good that they’re under its spell. The folks who loved the idea of the Newton would tell you endlessly how the handwriting recognition wasn’t that bad, and the OS was so elegant, and it wasn’t that expensive when you thought about all the benefits it brought.

Truth is, it was that bad. But they were so in love with the idea of a computerized pocket planner that they were willing to overlook its numerous flaws. Worse, they thought that everyone shared their inclination to crawl through hellfire and broken glass to have this techno-hardon.

Most people, however, don’t want to endure a product to get to its goodness. But rabid fans will, and do. You hear it all the time:

“If you get through the first season, you’ll see how amazing this really is!”

“You need to listen to this album a couple of times to really appreciate it.”

“The flaws really aren’t that bad.”

The fan logic generally goes, “This sandwich is made out of two halves of a bum’s shoe leather slapped around some peanut butter and jelly. But the peanut butter and jelly is absolutely delicious, and the shoe leather isn’t as bad as you’d think!” Which brings up the ever-wise quote: “You know, if you muscle past the gag reflex, all sorts of food possibilities open up to you.”

Plus, as I’ve mentioned before, products often fail to serve the needs they’re really supposed to. What something does may sound amazing on the surface, but actually if you look at what it does, it’s not as useful as the hype would have you believe.

Hence, I tend to be skeptical. If the Newton was as good as they claimed, why wouldn’t more people have bought it? If WebTV was as easy as its adherents said, why wouldn’t it have been a massive hit? Generally, if a product is easy to use and fulfills an actual need, it’ll sell. It’s not like the American public is against convenience.

Which leads into my second adage:

If it was a failure, chances are it wasn’t that good.

Which is to say that if “Golden Compass” was a really awesome movie, it’s unlikely that its box-office take would have dropped 66% (far more than the average of 40%) in its second week. I tend to think that if a movie was really satisfying, it’d retain its fans.

Now, there are a couple of correlaries to that. The first is that you can’t determine “failure” right away (except with techno-toys, which degrade quickly). The Princess Bride, Spinal Tap, and Office Space were all initial failures… But in the course of time, word of mouth got around as people went, “Hey, you really oughtta see this.”

Sometimes, it takes years for a film to acquire a sheen of goodness. Wizard of Oz certainly struggled along for almost two decades until annual TV showings made it a classic. But it rose to the top.

This is not to say that every good movie gets word-of-mouth and becomes a classic, nor that every classic movie is good. But as a rule of thumb, if there’s some forgotten film from 1972 that nobody’s heard of by now, there’s one of two options:

1) It’s an amazing classic that, despite the ability to watch it on TV endlessly, no one has appreciated, or:

2) A bad film.

I’m simply arguing that #2 is far more likely than #1. (And again, if people are Big Fans, they’ll consistently overlook a thing’s glaring flaws in favor of the good stuff in the middle.)

A failure in the short run indicates that it’s probably bad, though it could just be misinterpreted. A failure after twenty years almost certainly indicates crap. (And by that, I mean failure – we’re not talking “Criterion’s releasing an edition,” I mean, “You can find it on a 99-cent DVD.” But see my next section on “good.”)

But let’s also define terms, since “good” is kind of a lightning rod:

For the purposes of this rule, “good” means that it satisfies the needs of the people who use it, and “successful” is defined as “the percentage of people who would be satisfied by that thing who purchase it and like it.”

Here’s a trick question for you: Why do you watch movies?

Me? I watch them to have my assumptions questioned. I like movies that play with moral ambiguity, that leave me wondering, that have me on edge because I don’t know what will happen next.

I am not your average movie-goer.

In fact, I’m in the minority. Most people go to movies for two hours to forget about their troubles and to see a story where good guys are good, bad guys are bad, and everything turns out okay in the end.

The needs that would satisfy me are not generally the needs that would satisfy the general public. To me, a movie like Transformers is okay… But for most folks, “mindless robot-smashin’” is exactly what they want on a hot summer evening.

Whereas “No Country For Old Men” is one of my favorite movies this year. It hasn’t earned a fifth of what “Transformers” did. So is “No Country” a flop?

Nope.

In terms of the audience it could reasonably expect to get, both movies have done well. For a movie designed to appeal to cinema nuts, $33 million is a phenomenal number – especially given that it has no Oscar nominations. That to me indicates that “No Country For Old Men” is probably at least worth seeing, whereas something aimed at roughly the same market that flopped (like “Elizabeth: The Golden Age” or “The Martian Child”) probably isn’t that great.

You have to take into account the audience when you’re accounting for success. The most successful Jazz album still won’t outsell the best-selling Rap CD (unless it’s a really terrible week). But that doesn’t mean that Jazz is worse than rap – merely that it appeals to a different audience that has different needs.

Now that’s tricky, because of fan mentality. Based on my past askings of “What music should I listen to, given that I like X and hate Y?”, fans are almost invariably incapable of separating their tastes from the tastes of others. Whenever I say, “I fucking hate prog rock, but give me a suggestion as to what I should buy on iTunes,” people go, “You know what you’d like? Coheed and Cambria. Because I like them, and therefore you will!”

“Good” does not equal “quality.” “Good” means that it serves whatever need someone’s looking for, which is entirely different. McDonald’s serves the need for cheap, reliable food, but it’s definitely not gourmet.

There are all sorts of niche markets. But my rule is this:

Whatever’s on top in that niche market is generally the most likely to be satisfying.

It gets split sometimes, but let’s take a really niche market: Wes Anderson movies. Wes Anderson’s a really niche director, creating sad movies that I adore. And I’d be willing to say that his best-selling movie is (adjusted for inflation and DVD sales) is most likely to be his most satisfying movie.

Likewise, the prog rock scene? Don’t follow it. But if you look at the top-selling prog rock bands, in terms of making prog rock people happy overall, the best one is likely to be at the top of the charts.

Is that an iron-clad rule? Absolutely not. There may be some crazy band somewhere that never got traction; I don’t assume a perfect market that raises the best to the top by default. But I am saying that if they are on top, chances are good that they’re servicing whatever need that segment of the industry needs, even if you don’t understand why.

I hate romantic comedies. But I’m betting that the best-selling romantic comedies are the ones that satisfy the ones who do like them, as well as probably some splash damage in satisfying a handful of people who don’t like romantic comedies. And so forth.

It gets tricky sometimes when there’s no market. I like weird music – Zappa and They Might Be Giants and so forth. They’re all unique, and thus there’s no umbrella of “weird fucking music” I can turn to. Sometimes, your tastes are so unfulfillable that there’s no way of grouping it properly.

But in general, all I’m saying is that the best-selling items are most likely to give the people the experience they want. That experience may be the complete opposite of what you want. It may even be an experience you don’t want other people to have.

But there you have it. My take. We'll see how well it satisfies.

(Tell me I'm full of it)

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From:[info]on_reserve
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:07 pm (UTC)
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Wasn't Wizard of Oz nominated for an Oscar up against Gone With the Wind?
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From:[info]theferrett
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:08 pm (UTC)
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Possibly. But commercially (especially compared to its lavish budget at the time) it was a flop. And then it kind of went underground for a while. It wasn't until the rise of TV that it became considered a "classic."
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From:[info]madlori
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:12 pm (UTC)
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Yes. In a year in which the other nominees included Goodbye, Mr. Chips, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Love Affair, Ninotchka, Wuthering Heights, Stagecoach and Of Mice and Men.

1939 was a good year for movies.

GWTW did win the award that year.
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From:[info]allah_sulu
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:12 pm (UTC)
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I wasn't aware that Oscar nominations constituted a mark of quality.
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From:[info]madlori
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:09 pm (UTC)
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"The Martian Child" flopped because we were all super pissed that they turned the main character STRAIGHT.

Or so I'd like to believe.
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From:[info]theferrett
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:18 pm (UTC)
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Really? I didn't know that.
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From:[info]bonerici
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:10 pm (UTC)
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your first contention is interesting. if you use a product too much you get used to its obvious flaws. baseball is the worst sport ever because it's so incredibly tedious, just too slow to watch, boring as hell. Football is almost as bad because for a two and a half hour game is less than 30 minutes of actual play, not as bad as baseball but still. And if you talk to fans of these sports, they will talk about steroids, the designated hitting rule, instant replay, and never once broach the fact that the slow play of these old sports is killing the game. There's a reason that basketball is the real international sport created here in america, not football or baseball.

The fans do know of the flaws, they just have gotten used to them.

Everytime you talk about marketing and a product you start with this assumption:

If it is good it will be popular. If it is bad, it won't be popular.

You can have that assumption, the problem with viewing the world that way is there is nowhere to go with it. It's like living in the rockies, and deciding instead of painting the wonderful majestic view, of the awesome uplift of your surroundings, you decide to do your painting in a perfect white out.

Maybe your idea is accurate, but your assumption leaves you nowhere to go. Is band X popular? Great it's good. How about band Y? Not popular they aren't good.

Much more interesting is if you just throw away your assumption. Assume instead of over 50% of everything that is popular is absolute crap. Then you have so many more theories to speculate about. Is britney spears not really a talented young girl, but instead a conspiracy created and molded by corporate america pushed and shoved down the throats of the youth with pictures of legs ass boobs and catholic school girl uniforms to trick the ratbrains of people into buying absolute crap and then when she has slightly aged, that she is thrown away into the trailer trash living she crawled out of, just so that megacorporation can create yet another young teen idol who's music has absolutely no appeal, a completely created personna who is purely a marketing product with no other appeal at all?

If you think that most stuff is crap, it leads you down the tiny alleys of life. Perhaps Bill Hicks was the greatest comedian that ever lived, but he self destructed because he hated commercialization, and that is the only reason he never made it while, those who embrace racism, those who appeal to the idiots of the world, and don't care about their image become the next mind of mencia, a worthless show that only stays on the air because he is able to push products and appeals to the bosses of the comedy channel?

There are lots of interesting alleys you can go down. Or you can say, "If it's pop it's good!"
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From:[info]theferrett
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:17 pm (UTC)
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Maybe your idea is accurate, but your assumption leaves you nowhere to go. Is band X popular? Great it's good. How about band Y? Not popular they aren't good.

Absolutely incorrect. What you can then get fascinated by is, "What sort of need is this crap possibly serving?" Then you start trying to figure out exactly what sorts of people are legion, and what their needs actually are as opposed to what you'd want them to be.

My view can go, "Wow, Britney Spears is not talented at anything I'd consider worth being talented at." And instead, she becomes an absolutely amazing trick - she was still created by Corporate America, but Corporate America saw something about her and said, "You know, I can use that." Then they plastered all sorts of other stuff and doped out what America really wanted.

To me, that's far more fascinating than your "Corporations do magic" supposition. It means that they cold-bloodedly found some need that a pathetic girl could serve, and groomed her to be that. And now, even though her original need is gone, she still serves a purpose that America feasts on messily...

To me, that's awesome.

I also find alleys interesting. Lenny Bruce was great; why is he nearly forgotten now? What need did he serve back then that he doesn't now? Why is Carlos Mencia popular when he's crap? What's the secret?

You need dead-ends. I see endless mazes. They're all incredibly interesting.
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From:[info]ba1126
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:14 pm (UTC)
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I have to agree with you about marketing. I'm thinking about restaurants in particular. I see new ones pop up in our town and think "wonder what that one's like? Wonder what kind of food they serve? Wonder how there prices are?" But unless I see an ad or review in the local paper, a flyer or coupon in my mailbox, or hear from a friend a favorable report, chances are slim to none that I'm going to go there and check it out.
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From:[info]pentane
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:18 pm (UTC)
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As far as music, I'd have to say that you fit into the group of people who listened to 80s music and wanted to impress everyone with how different they were.

Sometimes it's hard to see a niche from the inside of it.
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From:[info]binidj
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:31 pm (UTC)
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"Which is to say that if “Golden Compass” was a really awesome movie, it’s unlikely that its box-office take would have dropped 66% (far more than the average of 40%) in its second week. I tend to think that if a movie was really satisfying, it’d retain its fans."

I think you make a valid point but that your example is flawed. My belief is that Golden Compass failed because the fan base it aimed itself at (ie. people who read and enjoyed "Northern Lights") were not the same people that could become fans of the film. Now whether the fault here lies with the marketers or the film-makers I couldn't say (though I'd probably go with a little from column A, a little from column B) but people who didn't like the book, who felt it was too complex and too long-winded wouldn't have gone to see it, whereas in fact they'd probably have enjoyed the dumbed-down, watered-down offering that was produced. Whereas for fans of the novels (amongst whom I count myself as one) loathed the movie because it was too simple, too rushed.

The Lord of the Rings trilogy was phenomenally successful because it delivered exactly what the fans wanted and this created a buzz sufficient to attract people who had never read the books. With Golden Compass the reverse was true, the fans went to see it and created a "meh" sufficient to discourage anybody else from going to see it.

So being true to your source is also, in my opinion, crucial to success. A Chinese restaurant is unlikely to be successful if it has no actual Chinese (or Chinese-like) items on the menu.
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From:[info]allah_sulu
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:39 pm (UTC)
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people who didn't like the book, who felt it was too complex and too long-winded wouldn't have gone to see it

And hence would not have been a factor in the drop between week one and week two. A drop like that usually occurs due to negative word of mouth from people who did see it. If people are simply avoiding a movie in droves, it doesn't open big in the first place - it's viewed as a flop from day one (like Lions for Lambs).
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From:[info]ferret_kitty
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:41 pm (UTC)
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I completely agree. In recommending things, I always tell people that I really like X, and that they might like it because they also liked these things that are similar. I try to fit the recommendation to the person, instead of just waxing poetic about this "really awesome thing that I love and so will you!"

Also, I love that you quoted Ratatouille. ^_^
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From:[info]naath
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:45 pm (UTC)
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I tend to think that if a movie was really satisfying, it’d retain its fans.

Do you actually go to see films in the cinema *more than once*? I only do that if I get dragged by someone I want to spend time with and there aren't any better options.

After a film has been in the cinema a week or two I'd guess that most people who want to see it and can afford cinema tickets have seen it - and that after that what's interesting is how many of them buy the DVD or hire the DVD or watch it on the pay-per-view movie channel or watch it when it comes out on 'normal' TV...
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From:[info]loonylupinlover
Date:December 19th, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC)
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I saw Fellowship of the Ring 9 times, Two Towers 4 times, and Return of the King 6 times in theaters.

So yes, you do get some repeat viewers, especially for epic movies that tend to have obsessive fans. *g*
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From:[info]jeffpalmatier
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:50 pm (UTC)
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They’re so in love with the good stuff that they’ll ignore all the bad stuff because OMG, CAN’T YOU SEE THE GOODNESS?

This is why I find the reviews about the Amazon's Kindle so fascinating. The people who are in love with the Kindle are so enamored of what they see as it's good points that they ignore or are dismissive of its arguably really bad points.
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From:[info]cubes
Date:December 19th, 2007 04:51 pm (UTC)
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Most people, however, don’t want to endure a product to get to its goodness.

The most annoying fans I've ever encountered, and they're everywhere, are fans of hot/spicy food.

I don't like spicy food. Even a little spicy. It doesn't taste that bad, but it hurts, and not in a good way. It also numbs my mouth up for the rest of the meal, so I don't enjoy the flavor of anything else I eat either.

I don't want my dinner to be painful. I don't want one item to destroy my ability to enjoy the rest of the meal. There's plenty to eat that tastes good and doesn't hurt, and yet every time I ask for "no spicy hot", someone pops out of the woodwork to tell me that if I'd just eat more spicy food, it wouldn't hurt anymore, and I'd like it. It might be less annoying if they were correct, and I discovered a wonderful new taste sensation, but I have, in fact, attempted to train myself to enjoy the spicy hot, and failed miserably every time.
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From:[info]funwithrage
Date:December 19th, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
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Oh my God yes. I also hate spicy food and...yeah.

The attitude, in general, is wicked annoying. I do not like spicy food, olives, ska, depressing movies/books, modern dance, and many other things. There are many things in the world that I *do* like; I'm not suffering from a lack of stuff to do or see or eat. And I'm not claiming that any of these things are bad, or trying to stop anyone else from enjoying them.

So what's with the nagging?

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From:[info]phizzled
Date:December 19th, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC)

As an aside

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Pretty much everything you just said also explains relationships that look, to outsiders, as though they should not work.

"I love Brad. He's so awesome. And his hair, it's just, you know, to die for."

"...I thought Brad was bald."

"Yeah, but I meant the hair on his back."

Love and fandom conquer all things.
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From:[info]the_xtina
Date:December 19th, 2007 05:30 pm (UTC)
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Which brings up the ever-wise quote: “You know, if you muscle past the gag reflex, all sorts of food possibilities open up to you.”

I love it when people say something is an "acquired taste." What this means is, "If you don't like it, the problem is YOU. You just need to eat it more, in the hope that you become BETTER."
- http://www.ironycentral.com/todvol28.htm
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From:[info]thetathx1138
Date:December 19th, 2007 06:55 pm (UTC)
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It can mean that. But used properly, it means "This is going to be really weird and unfamiliar but if you give it a chance, I think you'll enjoy it." I tried chocolate chicken and after I wrapped my head around that flavor associated with that texture, I quite enjoyed it.
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From:[info]arturus
Date:December 19th, 2007 05:31 pm (UTC)
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I think what you've got here is pretty good. As for things that break the rule, The Last Express is an interesting case, and one of my favorite things ever. It's an adventure game, and one of the biggest commercial failures in video game history. Even if things had gone well, it would have been unlikely to turn much of a profit, because it was a big budget adventure game released in the late 90s, when adventure games simply no longer sold well. They had, and continue to have, their niche market, but it's not a large one. This, however, doesn't seem like it would have prevented the game from widespread adoption within that niche. Reviewers of advance copies loved it, it was slated to have a playstation port, and things were generally positive.

At the same time as this game was coming out, however, it's distribution company was in the process of dissolving for unrelated reasons. The entire marketing department quit a few weeks before the game was released. The company basically collapsed, and the game was off the market before it's first christmas season. The company was then bought up by The Learning Company, which had no interest in non-educational content.

Around 2000, the rights to the game were bought by Interplay, and the game was in print again for a while, but then they went bankrupt as well. It's apparently available again now, through gametap's subscription service.

Now, I believe in the game, and maybe it can manage to get cult status, but there's a couple problems right now with that possibility. The first is the incredibly short timeframe for technology. We remember certain old games, but this is largely fueled by a nostalgia market, not a discovering new things one. The second is the utter lack of structure within what remains of the niche for pure-adventure games.

So I don't know what might happen with the game in the future, and I don't know how it'd fit into your schema. But it's interesting to look at in those terms.
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From:[info]vrax
Date:December 19th, 2007 05:45 pm (UTC)
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I think there is a sub-section of fandoms where the thing being enjoyed requires a large platform of knowledge in order to appreciate. Sometimes it's juts hubris when someone says that something is an acquired taste, or the like, other times you really just need a set of experiences to draw from in order to appreciate the thing in question.

I think that the things that become the most popular are those things that require nothing to be enjoyed a bit, but something to be enjoyed A LOT. That creates a set of "levels" to being a fan, and an infrastructure for ascending the ranks of appreciation.

Ultimate Fighting is a good example. The casual observer can see a pure athletic contest as two men do something tangentially primal. The educated fan sees the subtlety of physics in each wrestling transition. And the die-hard fan knows that after Georges St. Pierre throws the second left round-kick he's gonna fake and go high on the third one, and this will cause Koscheck to train in preparation for it, so we know he'll catch that third kick and we'll get to see some epic wrestling in the ensuing takedown attempt - we knew all this as soon as Georges shifted his hips and looked at Koscheck's feet - that precedes the leg kick.

And that's the main reason that some entertainment lasts, there's a depth to it.
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From:[info]jenk
Date:December 19th, 2007 06:28 pm (UTC)
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Most people go to movies for two hours to forget about their troubles and to see a story where good guys are good, bad guys are bad, and everything turns out okay in the end.

I'm even worse than that. I'm a recurrent depressive who tends to re-live whatever's on screen for at least a day, sometimes a week, in my head.

I go to movies that will make me laugh and that I will be okay having in my head for that length of time.
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From:[info]kisekinotenshi
Date:December 19th, 2007 08:36 pm (UTC)
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I do that too! I didn't think I was the only one, but you're the first person I've met who admitted to it. n.n;;;
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From:[info]bbwoof
Date:December 19th, 2007 06:40 pm (UTC)
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Ferrett, [info]beckyzoole and I have discussed this. We have decided that you are not just okay; you are OK.

OK = Our Kind

Just sayin'...
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From:[info]thetathx1138
Date:December 19th, 2007 06:59 pm (UTC)
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The proper way to express this is "Gabba gabba we accept you we accept you one of us!"
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From:[info]platypuslord
Date:December 19th, 2007 07:50 pm (UTC)
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They did an experiment (here is a link) with music preferences. They created a music site where you can rate the music you listen to, and see everyone else's ratings, and they watched who got popular and who didn't.

But -- this is the clever bit -- they secretly divided the users up into ten groups, and each user could only see the other users in their own group. So essentially they had ten little universes chugging along, each exchanging their opinions of the same group of musicians.

What they found was, if somebody sucked big-time, their rating was pretty consistently bad across all the groups. But, among the people who didn't completely suck, it was almost entirely random who prospered and who didn't.

I guess for movies it might be the case that being on top actually makes a director better: the better you do, the more you get to do, and the more you do, the better you get. I dunno, though.
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From:[info]alyoshaak
Date:December 19th, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC)
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I think there are missed nuances in your post. Maybe something that sells well or becomes popular is a better product than a comparable thing that doesn't do so well, but that doesn't mean the former is a better quality thing than the latter. I don't usually include dollar signs in my evaluation of how good a thing (not consciously, at least) and--though you're right to point out the problems of fan perception--I think there are too many good products that don't or didn't sell well.

I also think you missed something about products that effort to appreciate. Consider cross-country skiing (the act itself isn't really a product, but there are an awful lot of products that are needed to start): If someone were to ski for one afternoon, then tell me it sucks and they wasted their money, I would tell them to keep at it. Some experiences do become better with age and practice, and sometimes you have to step up to a challenge before you can figure that out. Likewise, sometimes you have to step down to appreciate something that may seem without merit.
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From:[info]chayatapa
Date:December 21st, 2007 09:22 pm (UTC)
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Exactly. Some tastes really *do* have to be cultivated. X-country skiing, as you say, whiskey, sushi, spicy food, etc.

And peoples' "needs" aren't written in stone, either. Marketing is largely about *creating* a need.
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From:[info]montykins
Date:December 19th, 2007 11:32 pm (UTC)
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Fans of any given thing are almost incapable of seeing the external flaws in that thing.

Agree.

If it was a failure, chances are it wasn’t that good.

Agree, to a point. I don't think the correlation is 100%, though.

For the purposes of this rule, “good” means that it satisfies the needs of the people who use it, and “successful” is defined as “the percentage of people who would be satisfied by that thing who purchase it and like it.”

Disagree, and I think this one was too long to be a bullet point.

Whatever’s on top in that niche market is generally the most likely to be satisfying.

Disagree, actually. I think the most popular fantasy book among fantasy readers is probably less likely to be satisfying to people not part of that niche.

Efficient!
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From:[info]montykins
Date:December 19th, 2007 11:35 pm (UTC)
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Also: when you say “If you get through the first season, you’ll see how amazing this really is!” you're talking about Babylon 5, right? It drove me crazy how everyone told me it was great, but I had to struggle through the first season and ignore the last season. That's 40% of the show!
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From:[info]cleolinda
Date:December 20th, 2007 04:49 am (UTC)
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The fan logic generally goes, “This sandwich is made out of two halves of a bum’s shoe leather slapped around some peanut butter and jelly. But the peanut butter and jelly is absolutely delicious, and the shoe leather isn’t as bad as you’d think!” Which brings up the ever-wise quote: “You know, if you muscle past the gag reflex, all sorts of food possibilities open up to you.”

It took me a couple of viewings of The Golden Compass to admit this--I love the books and I equally wanted to love the movies--but... yeah. I basically walked out of it like, "If you just ignore the clunky editing and the hurried superficial pace and the weak music and focus on how well they've cast characters from a book you didn't actually read, you'd LOVE it!" And I do love it. I've just come to grips with the fact that it's... not necessarily a great movie, objectively speaking. (And, as some folks have pointed out, they have managed to please no one in trying to please everyone.)
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Date:December 21st, 2007 03:57 am (UTC)
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Totally agree with you. Volkswagen outsells Rolls Royce, but that's no indication of quality. Puts me in mind of Stephen Fry's blog entry on fame where he says, in refutation of the idea that popularity = quality: "Eat shit, a trillion flies can’t be wrong."
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