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Is It Better?
Is it better? That’s a big question. It encompasses a lot of ideas.
Let’s give an example.
Back before even videotapes were relevant, there were two competing technologies on the marketplace: VHS and Betamax. Both of them allowed for the incredible magic of a) renting movies to watch in your own home, and b) recording TV shows to forget about later.
Betamax was said to be technologically superior by its advocates. VHS won after a short battle. The big question is, “Was Betamax better?”
And without even knowing a damn thing about Betamax, my automatic answer would be “No.” Why? Because it went head-to-head with a big competitor in the marketplace, and it lost.
For me, “marketing” is a major part of being better.
That sounds silly. After all, we all know the old maxim: The more money two competing brands spend on advertising, the less difference there actually is. And it’s true; the difference between Coke and Pepsi is negligible (even as I have a preference), as Budweiser and Miller taste pretty much the same. If there’s really not much of a distinction, then you have to spend money to make people think there is.
But in general, marketing is significant. For many people, it’s an afterthought, something bolted on to a Good Product because, well, you have to have it. But in my experience, “marketing” is a central part of the features, and “bad marketing” is a large part of what makes something worse.
For example: If you were to ask me, “Is Macintosh better than Windows?” I’d frown a bit as I considered the question and then say, reluctantly, “No.” But rephrase the question and ask, “Does Macintosh run better than Windows?” Yes. “Is it more elegant?” Yes. “Do you like it better?” On a lot levels, absolutely.
But Apple’s been piss-poor at marketing. Can the Mac play games? Not really – and that’s been a part of Apple’s marketing strategy for years. Windows went out of their way to encourage people to make awesome games on the PC, and sold Windows based on that amazing capacity; Macintosh pissed off game developers time and time again by ignoring them and/or dismissing the relevance of games (because “games” wasn’t something oh-so-cool Mac wanted to be connected with).*
When Macintosh was too cool for school, Microsoft said, “Hey, if we get people to make good games, we can use that to sell more copies of Windows! We should totally work this angle to the max.”
In other words, marketing drives features. Features that, on the whole, consumers want.
Plus, without getting into the Mac/Windows debate, Macintosh is more expensive – you get much less bang for your buck. How much extra do you get for that money? For some people, it’s well worth it – but for most folk, the extra hundreds you drop on a Mac do not return hundreds of dollars of enjoyment.
This is a way of saying the marketplace is pretty darned good at seeing past marketing hype when it comes to new products. McDonald’s can spend a zillion dollars on the Arch Deluxe, but if it’s not that much better than a normal McD’s hamburger, people will not purchase it past the initial "Hey, check it out" phase.
People are pretty good at determining where to spend their money on things that satisfy them. They may not be the things that satisfy you – I’m no fan of Adam Sandler, for example, but I have to acknowledge that he fills some need in people’s minds for a comedy styling I dislike intensely. But it fulfills them.
Generally, I’ve found that when something flops on the market, there’s a good reason for it. Electronic books have failed to catch fire despite all of the advantages people can throw out. Why? Because:
a) reading books on a little tiny screen is harder for most people;
b) books don’t need to rely on batteries, and;
c) if you lose one book you don’t lose your whole library, but you can lose your entire e-library by dropping an e-book in the oh-God-toilet.
Now, electronic writing has grown in popularity as people have gotten better cell phones to read them. But that’s something people carry with them anyway – it’s a bonus to an existing product, not a new product in itself.
The actual e-book – as in, “A devoted piece of hardware you carry with you only to read books?” Never took off. Why? Because it was a bad idea.
So to me, “a failed product” generally means “a bad one.” That’s not always true, of course; particularly with movies, some things just need time to find their place (“Wizard of Oz” would be a hell of a movie to market to anyone, really, if you didn’t know what it was already). There are some good products that died unfairly.
Even if you take that into account, though, I consider “Failure to get knowledge of your product into the minds of the people who would pay money to get it” to be a part of whether the product’s good. Marketing will only take you so far; if someone developed a car that could drive at 55 mph for $20,000 on someone’s exhaled breaths, you wouldn’t need to market that. Everyone would just buy it. On the whole, the marketplace works.
(And before you ask, who killed the electric car?)
For everything else, “Alerting the world that you exist” is a vital part of how good it is. Because otherwise, it dies on the vine. OS/2 may be the most awesome operating system the world has ever seen, but it’s hard for me to argue that it’s “the best” in a total vacuum where nothing runs on it and nobody’s supporting it. Band X may have been the best band in the history of mankind, but when they produced one four-song LP and then disbanded due to lack of money, how much enjoyment can I squeeze from a single album?
Getting people to like what you do is generally a part of what makes it good. And that’s why I consider marketing a strong part of any “Is it better?” question.
Not all of it, mind you. Just a lot.
* - The list of great Macintosh game developers: Bungie. Who are now working for Microsoft. Hmm.
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Bad marketing, per se, didn't kill Betamax (which continued to live on in pro-use variations, by the way, much as DAT continued to have a life beyond is failed marketing to consumers; also helping to fuck DAT in the ear was an early version of DRM), it was bad technical strategy -- Sony, as they've done time and again, attempted to keep the hardware restricted to their brands, just as Apple has done with their hardware and, indeed, their DRM format.
JVC, meanwhile, licensed their format to everybody with a willingness to pony up a percentage per machine made. Result: instant market flood by the lesser, bulkier format.
Sony's repeated this time and again.
The times they didn't go wrong in their approach gave the world the Walkman in its cassette and CD formats -- in both instances common and widespread formats, where the superior technology could get an edge, as could the extra cool factor.
When they tried to jump into the portable digital player market they tried to set up their own proprietary format, which was then applied to their online music store. That tanked so hard that it was a decoy on the Salisbury training facility.
Now we have a format war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, with Sony trying to get studios to go exclusive with them (it's a fifty-fifty split, with a few doing both formats.) That's not going to end well overall, especially with the insane amounts of DRM being applied and the deliberate crippling of output unless certain very specific conditions are met in the hardware...which applies to both of them. I'm waiting for a third format to come along and kick both of those out of the market.
This has been a perhaps pointless ramble brought to you by a lack of sleep, too much chili, and the letters O, I and C.
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 06:05 pm (UTC) |
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JVC, meanwhile, licensed their format to everybody with a willingness to pony up a percentage per machine made. Result: instant market flood by the lesser, bulkier format.
The really stupid thing is that both JVC and Sony had prior warning of this - the compact music cassette, invented by Philips, was licensed free of charge. That's why it became the pre-eminent format for recording sound until the recordable CD / MP3 recorders came out.
I suspect capacity was at least as much to blame for the untimely demise of Betamax as predominant consumer format. Putting out a video format that couldn't hold an entire movie was just daft in my opinion. And in the pre-DVR world of home recording tapes were expensive enough that being able to cram six hours was a major selling point, even if it did mean noticeably lower quality (who really cares is The Cosby Show or L.A. Law wasn't as crisp as it could be anyways?)
i also heard that the porn industry signed up with VHS cause VHS would take their product. ah, porn, the great equalizer!
Interesting how I'm read this on my way to a marketing class...
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 02:40 pm (UTC) |
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As an aside and not as part of any agenda, I did a formal study back in 2003 and- as of then and in small business network applications of 5-30 users, Macintosh was a less expensive solution, based on total cost for first year of operations for a company from scratch; i.e. Building and maintaining a complete network from scratch for one year. The windows boxes were cheaper, but at the end of the year when total costs were figured, Macs worked out to be significantly cheaper for those circumatances.
As far as I can tell, you have redefined the word "better" to mean "market success". My view on products which succeed or not is that marketing success will only prove that consumers want a particular product if you have a perfect capitalistic market. Which is not ever true. Corporations for instance in america are able to compete better in the american marketplace than small businesses because magnitudes of scale means that large corps can fill out the enormous amount of red tape, tax forms and legal requirements needed to operate a business in our nation. That's an artificial barrier and just one example of the breakdown of capitalism. Another problem is that people are stupid. We are by and large irrational animals. I mean, just look at the recent presidential debates where it was revealed that most of our presidential candidates believe in UFO's up to and including alien abductions and the candidates when asked about their plans in case of a UFO alien invasion, didn't explain the problems with hypothetical arguments which are less likely than the earth being exterminated by an asteroid crashing into it (something which actually has been proved to happen many times in the past, unlike UFO alien underground bases hidden from us by our secret alien overlords), when the candidates were asked their plans, they spewed out a bunch of ideas that could only have come from watching a Tom Cruise movie. Last, there is the random factor. Sometimes products will have a confluence of events that will allow it to succeed, even when the product has no other particular value, maybe Paris Hilton is drunk at a club with her cootchie hanging out, she gets into a wreck, the police haul her off to jail and this one particular day is the only day of the year she randomly happens to be wearing a particular hat, it goes all over the web, this brand takes off, I mean there is a huge amount of randomness which has nothing to do with any logical sequence of events. In any large system, you will find this chaotic behavior which in the end you can only call random.
I could pick and choose various products which are much better products than ones which actually succeeded for the three reasons above, but this in real life "better" is not your "better" your "better" has been redefined to mean market success itself.
In Europe 99% of the phones are GSM, not CDMA. So that means that GSM is better right? It has more market success. But the market there isn't free, GSM is the governmentally mandated cell phone protocol. If you look at cell phones all over the world GSM has defeated CDMA (except in America). So GSM must be better. The reason coke is the biggest selling soft drink in the world is because it was first, not because it is the most awesome drink in the world. I guess that makes it better than any other soft drink because it was first. As an example of humans being stupid, I can point to the rate of abortions vs contraceptive rates. We tend to think that acquiring and using contraceptives means you're a slut, so this ends up in lots of unwanted pregnancies something around 50% of all pregnancies end up in abortions. This means that in terms of dollars women and men are spending much more money on abortions than on contraceptives. So abortion must be a better product than contraceptives in your view. In my view people are dumb. Contraceptives are better than abortions.
As far as I can tell, you have redefined the word "better" to mean "market success". "So to me, “a failed product” generally means “a bad one.” That’s not always true, of course; particularly with movies, some things just need time to find their place (“Wizard of Oz” would be a hell of a movie to market to anyone, really, if you didn’t know what it was already). There are some good products that died unfairly." As far as I can tell, you didn't read very carefully. Saying "Usually" is not the same as "always." I can point to the rate of abortions vs contraceptive rates. We tend to think that acquiring and using contraceptives means you're a slut, so this ends up in lots of unwanted pregnancies something around 50% of all pregnancies end up in abortions. This means that in terms of dollars women and men are spending much more money on abortions than on contraceptives. So abortion must be a better product than contraceptives in your view. In my view people are dumb. Contraceptives are better than abortions....Which is, of course, how you would view it. You have objective view of what people should want. For these people, in most cases, "Not being seen as a slut" is superior to "being seen as a slut." In other words, abortion - in a backwards way - fulfills their needs a lot better. The question is not, "Does this do the job more effectively?" but "Does it SATISFY them?" In the world of EDT, this would be the most awesome vehicle ever.  Alas, sometimes the drawbacks outweigh other upsides. Which is what I'm saying.
Well, here's one that has always gotten me.
I worked at both Outback and Lone Star over the years.
Lone Star hand cuts their steaks daily. They actually cook their steaks over open flame with mesquite wood in the grill. It gives the steaks a much better flavor. They have no corporate debt, but rely entirely on coupons and word of mouth advertising to get the word out.
Outback, on the other hand, has their steaks cut offsite and shipped in in sealed plastic. They use a flat-top grill, basically a large frying pan. On the other hand, they blast the universe with Outback commercials every other second.
Like I said, I've worked for both. Usually, if you're walking into an Outback, the restaurant is on a wait. Lone Star on the hand, out of the several I've been to in various locations, I've never had a wait on a week night. (It happened on a rare occasion at the first one I worked at, but those were very few and far between.)
Since both restaurants seem to be surviving ok, it's not like either has shut down. I guess it's all about perspective.
To me, which has better food? Lone Star.
From a corporate perspective, I haven't looked at the bottom lines, so I don't know what to say there.
Which is more popular? Outback.
Which is better? The more I think about this, the more I think it's a very vague question...
You just made me feel better for my love of Lone Star, I irritated when the one local to us closed down. A case of marketing making Outback better, because it has survived, and because it has survived, it's the closest thing to a steakhouse I can get in my neck of the woods.
On the upside, the butcher is happier as I'm buying more steaks and eating out less often. But every so often it's nice to have a meal served to me.
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 06:06 pm (UTC) |
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Out of interest, what's the difference in price between the two? Because that's the one thing you don't mention that could have a massive impact on relative popularity.
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 03:23 pm (UTC) |
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All the *good* games get ported to Mac. You know, Civ IV, Sims 2, World of Warcrack...
--m4
Porting over does not make an industry leader.
I was talking about this with some guys on Shadowrun yesterday. It was pretty much unanimous that the original Xbox was technically better. Nonetheless, it sold less consoles and 'lost' the war. The same can be said of Betamax and PS3 (to present).
There are other factors involved, but the way the public perceive a product is one of the most important things. The PS2 was /the/ gaming system to have, so more people bought it. Regardless of technical prowess.
That was the point of the post wasn't it? That "technically better" is not better. Of the three last-generation consoles, and with hindsight, if I was going to acquire one it would probably be a PS2, thanks to Katamari, Shadow of the Collosus, Eco and some other things. After that a Gamecube, thanks to some of its multi-player stuff. After that, I'd probably just not bother. The only thing I'm aware of the XBox having that's at all worthwhile is Halo, and 1. I already played it on PC, and 2. it's not as fun as any of those other games.
I don't know if the PS3 is the technically superior console of the new generation, but it's far and away the practically inferior console for the same reason. Good games for XBox 360 abound. Meh, I'm not sure about the Wii actually, its gimmicky input device is not as fun or innovative as it was made out to be and the games kind of reflect that. But the PS3, like the old XBox, has a list of games that consists of "er, I don't know, is there anything fun?"
But what say you about this upcoming generation that's raised on the fact that Macs really are cool, and iPod was the device that singlehandedly mastered civilization, and now I'm going to go make a video of me skateboarding/dancing/playing guitar and upload it? It seems that the focus may be shifting from computer gaming (especially with the consoles starting to get a wee bit innovative) and into other youth/entertainment oriented uses for a desktop?
I say that iPods aren't quite Macs. Yet when that generation spends their own hard-earned dollars to purchase their own Macintosh in numbers that outsell Windows (barring some catastrophic failure on Windows' part), then I might well agree with ya.
My business texts tell me that 80% of all small businesses fail in their first five years, usually due to bad management. This has two points relevant to your topic:
1) Marketing must be a component of the corporate strategy - It's not enough, it's never enough, to just make a quality product and go, "Look! Shiny!" Internet-grouping-syndrome aside, Firefox takes up a terribly small market share next to IE. If you have a great idea but no idea how to sell it, it's time find a marketing guru.
2) You can (in a limited sense) think of new products as a new small business - there are differences, to be sure, but tons of new products, even products produced by major corporations, vanish down the hole of loss because no one buys them, or not enough people. I think the signal-to-noise ratio in new goods and services has always been leaning towards noise, with the internet's influence ramping up both sides, though still heavily noise-oriented.
If we're going to have an objective concept of better (The need for which is an entire debate itself), than market share has to be a part of that - my preference cannot carry more weight than everyone that went to see "Ghost Rider" and thought it rocked.
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 04:08 pm (UTC) |
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It may be an urban legend, but didn't Betamax lose because they wouldn't allow the adult film industry to license their product, while VHS's backers would?
As an interesting aside, Betamax is a better quality tape than VHS, and the news industry still uses it. I suppose the difference between VHS and Betamax is that one succeeded with the home-buyer, one succeeded with the media industry.
Betamax doesn't degrade as quickly as VHS does, among other features, making archival footage a lot longer lasting than it otherwise would be. Of course, with Digital Initiative, a lot of those Betamax tapes are going to be converted over to a digital format, like DVD or Blu-Ray. Probably the former, if you ask me: for being such a technological industry, the media business has always been a bit behind the curve.
"How well does it serve the targer market?" is one of the key questions as to whether a product is "better". :)
I think you'll find most professional uses are Betacam rather than Betamax, though. And that family of products start supporting digital encoding back in 1996.
It's probably also important to figure what people consider to be a bargain.
I had a PC and I got sick of running security updates and virus scans and dumping my adware and malware and all the rest of that annoyance. So I got a mac. I only play WoW and it runs on both platforms. Now I don't have to worry about any of the nuisances that PC owners have to worry about, which has saved me a lot of time and money. As much money as the mark-up on the price tag? I don't know, but if I rate myself as worth $20 an hour, probably.
Most people only think in terms of the price tag at the market. I think you have to consider the big picture. If more people considered the big picture, then maybe Apple's share of the computer market would be bigger - but if that were the case, there'd be malware and virii for Macs too.
The only people who can say with a straight face that PCs are cheaper are the people who (forgive me Ferrett) have no concept of Total Cost of Ownership.
A Mac might be slightly more expensive "out of the box" (if you do an actual, you know, feature/cost comparison they're really NOT), but trust me: The time and aggravation you save in keeping it running far far outweighs any additional cash.
Speaking as an IT professional, our Mac clients require FAR less of our time (and thus far less money out of their pockets) to maintain. In addition, Macs have a much longer service life than PCs do. Very few our our clients can still operate on PCs that are more than 4 or 5 years old. However there are Macs in service that are more than ten years old, and can still do their jobs.
This isn't 1995 any more. MACS ARE NOT MORE EXPENSIVE.
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 07:35 pm (UTC) |
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Total Cost of Ownership is a very qualitative variable. What is time worth? I'm not looking at costs down the road, I'm looking at costs NOW. And as for the "no viruses" argument, the Mac's time will come.
Macs do one feature set very well and I wish them the best of luck, but fail at others. I'm a gamer, so I use a PC. I still chuckle at the Mac faithful who try to say it doesn't matter.
"The list of great Macintosh game developers: Bungie. Who are now working for Microsoft. Hmm."
Well, were owned by Microsoft for most of a decade, but are now an independent studio again. It's a recent development, but thought you might want the chance to correct the factual error. I'd also say there are other great Macintosh game developers, such as Freeverse, but they're generally only known to Mac users since they create Mac-only games. (Or does their restriction to a small market segment disqualify them from greatness? In which case, has there ever been any such thing as a great RPG designer?)
Also, you are flat-out wrong about Macs being a lot more expensive than PCs, as other commenters have noted. Comparably equipped machines come out at just about the same price point, with a little variation either way (yes: sometimes a Mac is cheaper than an equivalent Dell/Alienware/whatever!). Apple's peripherals, like displays, are quite a bit more expensive than others', though.
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 08:42 pm (UTC) |
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Great RPG designer? Um... there would be all those old AD&D Gold Box games that in their day sold by the absolute bucketloads, Bioware, Black Isle, Origin Games (people remember Ultima right? Those huge best selling PC RPGs?), arguably Blizzard can be on that list for having more than six million current subscribers to World of Warcraft if you're counting that as an RPG.
On the other hand, I think this whole thing is a bit wrong headed; selling better does not equate to being the better product. From a purely commercial point of view above all else (since that's what Ferrett seems to be classing it under rather than any other benchmarks) it's the ROI that determines the excellence of a product. The best products in the games console market over the last few generations has been Nintendo since they had a better ROI per console sold.
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 07:38 pm (UTC) |
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Thank you. I've thought about getting a Mac in the last couple of years, but each time I can't go through with it. Why should I buy a $X word processor when I can buy a PC at the same price and play all my games on it?
Mac's made some great strides in the last couple of years, and an increased market share is both good and bad. I'd love to see Macs really take off and start to get hit with all of those problems that people assume will always remain PC exclusive.
Why should I buy a $X word processor when I can buy a PC at the same price and play all my games on it?I think you've got it backwards. Even the little iMac is a 2.4Ghz Core2 with a Radeon 2600 that runs windows. It's time to upgrade my PC, but I keep thinking that for the same price I can buy a PC that also runs MacOS.
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| Date: | October 31st, 2007 07:42 pm (UTC) |
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But Apple’s been piss-poor at marketing.
Jobs has been doing a killer job in recent years, though. Witness the hype over the iPhone, all the press coverage if they are about to make an announcement, or the number of people who rushed out to get Leopard. Apple has a smaller market share, but Apple followers are fanatics -- Windows users just use it because it is there and is the default. Apple has believers, who would buy pocket lint if it had an Apple logo on it. Did they succeed at being the biggest market leader? No. Are they succeeding in staying alive and profitable within their niche market? Oh, yeah.
Macintosh is more expensive – you get much less bang for your buck.That's not true.
Whether something is "better" depends entirely on what the purpose is.
The purpose of a product is to make money. The purpose of a computer is to provide entertainment and/or increase productivity (among other things).
Windows is by far a better "product" than Macintosh, by virtue of making far more money. But which one is a better computer depends entirely on your personal measure of happiness, productivity, and what percentage of your income the difference in price is. If someone asks you "Which is better?" and you tell them Windows, and the only reason is because Windows has made more money, you're probably not telling them the information they were looking for.
Heh. Analogy I just thought of (which probably isn't actually accurate, or at least useful) is that Windows is for Spikes (who are want something cheap, so long as they can live with the drawback) and Macs are for Timmies who want all upside. (And Linux is for Johnnies that want to show how different they are)
| From: | jonok |
| Date: | November 1st, 2007 10:15 pm (UTC) |
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Heh. Analogy I just thought of (which probably isn't actually accurate, or at least useful) is that Windows is for Spikes (who are want something cheap, so long as they can live with the drawback) and Macs are for Timmies who want all upside. (And Linux is for Johnnies that want to show how different they are)
This makes me laugh in ways I didn't think were possible... But I agree, being a windows and mac user (earlier the latter, presently the former, and said like that to get people to think heh) Mac is all about the ups where-as Windows is all about the "versatility" if you can stomach it's drawbacks or ticks (funny thing being it has most of those because it's the more 'popular' brand, Mac would have the same virus and hacker problems if it was on top ;p) but I digress.
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